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Anthea Bell [00:00:05]:
Hi, everyone. My name’s Anthea Bell. And when I am not podcasting and walking in nature, I am listening to What’s Your “And”?

John Garrett [00:00:17]:
Welcome to episode 651 of What’s Your “And”?. This is John Garrett. And each Wednesday, I interview a professional who, just like me, is known for a hobby or a passion or an interest outside of work. And And to put it another way, it’s encouraging people to find their and. Those things above and beyond your technical skills, it’s the things that actually differentiate you when you’re at work. It’s the answer to the question of who else are you beyond the job title. And If you like what the show’s about, be sure to check out the award winning book. It’s on Amazon, Indigo, Barnes and Noble, Bookshop, a few other websites.

John Garrett [00:00:48]:
All the links are at what’s your and.com. The book goes more in-depth with the research behind why these outside of work passions are so crucial to your corporate culture, and I can’t say how much it means that everyone’s reading it and writing such nice reviews on Amazon. Thank you so much for those. They really, really matter. And more importantly, changing the cultures where they work because of it. If you want me to read it to you, that’s right. This voice reading the book. Look for what’s your hand on Audible or wherever you get your audiobooks.

John Garrett [00:01:14]:
And please don’t forget to hit subscribe to the podcast so you don’t miss any of the future episodes. I love sharing such interesting stories each and every week, and this week is no different with my guest, Anthea Bell. She’s an embodiment and transformation coach and the host of Finding Your Way Home podcast out of London, England. And now she’s with me here today. Anthea, thanks so much for taking time to be with me on What’s Your End.

Anthea Bell [00:01:35]:
Thank you for having me. I love this wave of enthusiasm. It’s gorgeous. Thank you. Thank you.

John Garrett [00:01:40]:
I’m just excited to have you be a part of this after meeting when we were getting certified in the integral coaching method. And I was like, man, you gotta be on this show because it’s just awesome. Your journey is similar ish, you know, to mine going from corporate to not corporate and reaching back and helping people to see there’s more to who you are type of a thing. But I guess teasing that up, let’s get to know you better. 17 rapid fire questions. Buckle up right out of the gate.

Anthea Bell [00:02:08]:
I’m ready. I’m ready to hear you.

John Garrett [00:02:09]:
Oh, okay. Alright. We’ll start with I think it’s an easy one. Do you have a favorite color?

Anthea Bell [00:02:14]:
Oh, I just heard myself internally say purple, which I was not expecting. Purple, apparently.

John Garrett [00:02:20]:
Okay. Alright. That’s a fun one. How about a least favorite color?

Anthea Bell [00:02:23]:
Oh, my brain just said green, which is actually one of my favorite colors. So clearly, we’re in a strange topsy-turvy world today.

John Garrett [00:02:29]:
Right. Well, you’re talking to John Garrett. That happens. Like, that happens. When it comes to puzzles, Sudoku, Crossword

Anthea Bell [00:02:35]:
I’m a proper old fashioned snakes and ladders kinda girl. I like the old

John Garrett [00:02:40]:
Oh, okay. Okay. I like that. That’s super old fashioned. I love it. How about when it comes to books? Audio version, ebook, real book?

Anthea Bell [00:02:48]:
I listen to a lot of audiobooks because most of the books that I’m listening to are sort of professionally linked, and I just I soak them in a different way. If I’m out and I’m walking, they just go into my body and in my mind in a different way. Also, because I have a slight continued tendency of working rather more hours than I ought to, which limits my reading time.

John Garrett [00:03:11]:
There you go. I like how you were very gentle with yourself on that. That’s a this is a fun one. How about your first concert?

Anthea Bell [00:03:18]:
Enrique Iglesias, which is embarrassing, and also I sort of love it. He was so cool to 11 year old Anthea.

John Garrett [00:03:25]:
I love that because I love going to concerts, but the first one is always classic. It’s always amazing. And Enrique, holy cow. That’s pretty awesome. Alright. How about a favorite actor or an actress?

Anthea Bell [00:03:36]:
It just depends on whether I’m choosing them on the basis basis that I would love to be with them or whether I’m admiring their acting talent. If it was a question of who is my dream potential partner, I rewatched The Night Manager recently, which was this brilliant 6 part BBC sort of film series et, and it’s I think it’s definitely based on a book. But the lead actors are Tom Hiddleston and Hugh Laurie. Exactly. And I was trying to decide which one of those men I would marry. So it’s either Tom Hiddleston or Hugh Laurie. I’ll take either of them. And then for actresses, Maggie Gyllenhaal, who I think is just wonderful.

John Garrett [00:04:09]:
Yeah. Very good. All good answers. Toilet paper roll, you go over or under?

Anthea Bell [00:04:14]:
What do you mean?

John Garrett [00:04:15]:
When you put the roll on the wall, does it go against the wall, or is it coming over the top?

Anthea Bell [00:04:20]:
Why would you do it any other way than over the top? I just thought that that was normal.

John Garrett [00:04:27]:
Well, it is normal. But on occasion, there’s the under people. And I guess they’re people with cats, apparently, because the cats will paw at it or whatever.

Anthea Bell [00:04:35]:
I’m gonna assume that that’s because I come from an abundance mentality. It looks full if it’s coming from the top, whereas from underneath, it’s, like, a lack feeling.

John Garrett [00:04:43]:
Exactly. But, also, I think the patent shows it as over, and I think it’s because you use more that way. So they wanted you to do it that way, so then you end up use although it’s, you know, what do you extra 2¢. But that’s great that you were so flabbergasted by, like, why would there be an option? That’s hilarious. How about a Star Wars or Star Trek?

Anthea Bell [00:05:03]:
Oh, god. I’m a terrible Trekkie. Yeah. I like an original Captain Picard kind of girl.

John Garrett [00:05:08]:
Go indeed? Yeah. Okay.

Anthea Bell [00:05:09]:
I mean, I have actually watched all of them. They were our childhood, permittable television. So that and, they were the only things that I ever watched.

John Garrett [00:05:18]:
There you go. Okay. That explains everything right now. How about, your computer, more of a PC or a Mac?

Anthea Bell [00:05:24]:
Recently Mac, and I feel a little bit uncomfortable with the fact that I transitioned.

John Garrett [00:05:30]:
Okay. Yeah. I’m not even cool enough to go into a Mac store. So, good for you for doing that. So, yeah, I’m not there. How about do you prefer more hot or cold? Hot. How about a favorite animal? Any animal.

Anthea Bell [00:05:44]:
My neighbor’s dog, Dottie.

John Garrett [00:05:47]:
Okay. Very specific. So she’s

Anthea Bell [00:05:49]:
a mini schnauzer, and I have been told that I have half ownership of her. So she’s definitely highest in the running.

John Garrett [00:05:56]:
That’s awesome. I love it. How about ice cream? Do you go in a cup or in a cone?

Anthea Bell [00:06:00]:
Oh, god. Always in a cone. There’s a challenge in the sense of the melting dribble factor. But the only way I would do a cup is if I was, let’s say, on a date and I was worried about ice cream being all over my face. But there’d have to be a flake in the cup to make up for the fact that there was no cone.

John Garrett [00:06:19]:
No. That makes sense. Or if you’re loading it up with all the stuff. Yeah. Absolutely. And I know you travel a good amount in a airplane. Do you go window seat or aisle seat?

Anthea Bell [00:06:27]:
I always have a debate about this. My preference would be to be in the window seat, but I inevitably get up and move much more regularly than the other passengers. So I tend, by default, to go aisle. But I I I sort of then you just get encroached by the lady that brings the trolley. So it’s a first world problem.

John Garrett [00:06:45]:
Maybe if there was a window seat where you were the only seat in the aisle.

Anthea Bell [00:06:48]:
I mean, if I could have the whole plane, you know, then

John Garrett [00:06:50]:
fuck. Well, okay. My bad. Like, there you go. Forget the whole row. I want the whole plane. How about do you have a favorite number?

Anthea Bell [00:06:58]:
4.

John Garrett [00:06:59]:
4? Is there a reason?

Anthea Bell [00:07:01]:
4 is a very auspicious number from

John Garrett [00:07:03]:
the

Anthea Bell [00:07:03]:
perspective of numerology. But I also just when I was younger, I have synesthesia, which means your senses get beautifully sort of heightened and blended. And so for me, numbers were always colors. So 4 was green, and I loved green.

John Garrett [00:07:20]:
Absolutely. 4 was green. I mean, right when you were saying it, I was like, well, it’s green.

Anthea Bell [00:07:23]:
Yeah. And 8 is blue. It just is the way. 2 is yellow.

John Garrett [00:07:27]:
And a is apple. And and maybe it was all the cards they put on the walls of the elementary schools in indoctrinating us, but that’s how it was. So we got 3 more. How about a least favorite vegetable?

Anthea Bell [00:07:39]:
I would have said brussels sprouts, but I actually now love them.

John Garrett [00:07:42]:
Oh, interesting. You’ve gone to the dark side.

Anthea Bell [00:07:44]:
You don’t have those there, do you? Do you have those in the states?

John Garrett [00:07:47]:
Oh, we do. The only way they’re good is if they’re fried with, like, bacon.

Anthea Bell [00:07:50]:
I mean, that’s the American answer to all cooking, surely.

John Garrett [00:07:54]:
Right. That’s very true. But so do you have a least favorite besides brussels sprouts then?

Anthea Bell [00:08:01]:
I’m not a huge fan of a carrot, actually.

John Garrett [00:08:05]:
Oh, interesting. Okay. Alright. I’ll take that. How about pens or pencils?

Anthea Bell [00:08:10]:
Oh, I’m a pen girl.

John Garrett [00:08:12]:
Pen. Okay. No mistakes. Impressive. I like it.

Anthea Bell [00:08:15]:
Well, it’s much less efficient if you have to sharpen them. You know?

John Garrett [00:08:18]:
Oh, yeah. That’s it’s it is efficient. The last one is the favorite thing you have or the favorite thing you own.

Anthea Bell [00:08:25]:
I have a sounding ball, you know, like a one that you’ve gone, and I love that.

John Garrett [00:08:30]:
Very cool. That’s awesome. Did you get it somewhere special?

Anthea Bell [00:08:34]:
I got it when I was living in France when I was 21. So, yeah, I did.

John Garrett [00:08:39]:
Oh, yeah. That’s very cool. That’s awesome. Alright. Well, let’s talk walking in nature and movement and all that. Like, how did that get started? Did you grow up doing a lot of that, or was it more later in life?

Anthea Bell [00:08:50]:
Well, so we were joking when we before we hit the record button because I have a really bad slash wonderful habit of making my hobbies my profession. So I’m an embodiment and transformation coach now, but I started out as a corporate fundraiser. And I did that for kinda 10, 15 years. And movement was always the way that I supported and navigated a life where I was in my head and overly activated stress wise all the time. So, yeah, so, you know, walking I grew up in London, and walking around the city was just a very normal thing. And we have some really gorgeous parks here, and I still find my job now is very interpersonal. And I do a lot of one time work and a lot of work interviewing with podcasts. So getting out into the green, no screens, no audio, just like me time.

Anthea Bell [00:09:39]:
I do it usually about 5 or 6 in the morning, and it’s just it’s really important for me, that level of connection. It started right back in the day, and it’s continued ever since.

John Garrett [00:09:49]:
That’s awesome. Yeah. I mean, it it’s cool that you grew up that way, so you were exposed to it. And then the nature walking, is it parks, or has it gone to bigger things besides, you know, parks in the city?

Anthea Bell [00:10:01]:
I mean, I seem to be relatively indiscriminate. As long as I’m in rhythmic motion, I’m happy. Do a lot of movement, so I’m usually moving my body 2 or 3 times a day. But give me the opportunity to go out to woodland or to go hiking. I mean, I’m I’m all about that. I would love that.

John Garrett [00:10:18]:
Yeah. Do you have some favorite places from your memories or favorite parks maybe in London even or spots that that are your go tos?

Anthea Bell [00:10:25]:
In London, we have a beautiful place called Hampstead Heath, which has a lot more capacity for roving. Otherwise, my folks always lived half in London and half in the country. So I spent a lot of my childhood stomping around, avoiding cowpats, all of that kind of stuff.

John Garrett [00:10:40]:
Oh, okay. Alright. That’s awesome. Yeah. When growing up, we lived 2 years in the Azores. They’re islands in the middle of the Atlantic Ocean. And yeah. And I was 6th 7th grade.

John Garrett [00:10:50]:
We lived off base and just with some of the other kids and just going yeah. In in the past years, with cows and donkeys and horses and whatever, and just go around and just be a kid, you know, type of thing because it was safe, and and you were able to do that, you know, then. Well, it sounds like I mean, when you had the corporate career, like, it it definitely impacted your work in a way. Like, how do you think that made a difference?

Anthea Bell [00:11:15]:
Well, so I think the reason I ended up making this shift I did the same thing as you that I essentially, I got to a place where I was in quite deep awareness that the way that I was living was not. It’s not even that it wasn’t effective, it was really lacking in joy. And I realized that I wanted to and I wanted expansion. So I was using exercise up until that point to really be able to bear to continue to be there, and it’s not enough. So I started god, this is a little while ago now, but I started out training as a Pilates teacher first of all and then trained as a yoga teacher and just kept on doing things in movement and then it turned into more kind of physio rehab oriented stuff. And then eventually, that moved into working with people in conditions of chronic pain and injury recovery and everything else. And so that took me into the mind side, which I’d always been fascinated by. So I feel like you have to if you’re a practitioner with mind and body.

Anthea Bell [00:12:08]:
You have to have your own practice where you connect with this physicality, not least because otherwise it will be carrying all the time anyway everything that you are experiencing emotionally. It is imprinted here. So I can’t afford not to have that kind of communion time with my body. And it’s when you can teach people how to come back into loving connection with not just their emotions, which I do, not just the spirituality, which I do, but the physicality of the structure that they live within. It’s utterly transformative for people’s lives than it was for mine.

John Garrett [00:12:41]:
When you’ve gone through the journey, it’s a lot easier for you to share with others. And it’s not, well, I read in this book that this will work. Go try it. You know? It’s like, no. I’m excited about this because I know it worked for me and, you know, it’ll work for you too. Let’s do this. And just stepping back a minute where you said, you know, you were using your hand to just bear going to work. Like, you know, to make it bearable, there was so much lacking in joy that your and was the only thing that kept you, you know, to be able to bear going to work.

John Garrett [00:13:12]:
That’s how powerful the and is that without it, oh, forget it. I mean, it was just, you know, despair. You know? But then you realize that, like, oh, wait. The work is almost pushing me away into this other thing. What is that like when you do make that shift? Because, I mean, I have, and I have my ideas on it, but different perspective of when your hand becomes your thing. Like, how is that? You know? Is there as much joy? Is there more pressure? Is it like, what’s the difference there?

Anthea Bell [00:13:41]:
It’s a really beautiful question, I think, same as you, my and and then when I made it my career, it continues to evolve all the time. So I’ve gone through different iterations as to what I offer and what I feel like my service is. Last year, that involved creating the podcast, and that’s become this huge passion piece. But if I think back to what I identified was lacking in my corporate career, a huge amount of the lack was connection. So for me, a channel where you have deep dive interviews with people and they share their stories, like, that is as connected a human experience as one can have. And I’ve listened to things ever since I was teeny tiny. I think the challenge for people when they do transition to make their passion, their profession, it’s 2 things. 1 is you have to be super comfortable with being in a service role as a practitioner rather than just being in receipt of the thing that you loved.

Anthea Bell [00:14:41]:
So what goes wrong often with people is they still wanna be receiving when in theory, by this point, they’re actually the person that’s serving. And if that’s the case and you haven’t made that shift, you have to find something else to fill your cup because what used to fill your cup is now your job. And I think in order to be a really excellent practitioner, you need quite a lot of training in how to hold space for other people, and that’s a particular skill set. But I think the other thing is that it’s similar to what we’ve talked about before. People label themselves much more when they are in a job that pays a salary, and they limit themselves as far as how individual they allow their expression to be. So I am a coach, and I’m a podcaster. And I work with women 1 to 1, and I run training programs, and I do a lot of things. But if I over identify with any one of those things or even all of those things, then what will happen is I will prevent myself from creating the next iteration of whatever it is that’s really coming through me to offer into the world.

Anthea Bell [00:15:44]:
And for me, I don’t want to contain myself in that way because the past 10 years of doing this kind of work have been the most unbelievable transformative experience, always evolving. So I think we often give ourselves that permission when we’re using it as a hobby, that there’s no skin in the game and there are no expectations and we can be curious and we can adapt and we can grow. But somehow when you go into a job, you feel like, well, I’m supposed to know it all by now and it’s supposed to look like this because that’s how it looked when I saw that other person doing it. And so if you can let yourself be free of that expectation, then the world’s your oyster.

John Garrett [00:16:23]:
That’s so deep right there. Everybody rewind and listen again. And in that transformation, I think everyone goes through that, sometimes willingly, sometimes not. But, the transformation’s happening. It’s just how much are you embracing it? And the transformation doesn’t mean that it’s leading you always away from a stable corporate job. It’s just how are you evolving as a human? And that can be, you know, in certain different capacities. And so realizing that and recognizing that, like, are you living or are you just existing? And, really, you’re living. You know? Live your best life.

John Garrett [00:17:04]:
Work is certainly part of that, but it’s not all of that. And so, you know, it’s so easy to get wrapped up in in that world of just that’s my identity. And I love how you said that where that can be limiting and it closes you off. And, I mean, you know, when you did have the corporate job or or even now, like, do you share with clients these other parts of you, the the ands of you?

Anthea Bell [00:17:26]:
I think they get quite a good sense of it because a lot of so I most of the people that come to see me, they’re people that are on the verge of expanding. Like, they they can feel something coming through, and it’s either an expansion of, like, letting go of a way of living that’s really not been opportune or moving into something that they’re absolutely terrified to admit to. I work with some creatives. I work with coaches, and I often work with people in corporate. And part of what we do makes sense if you understand my context. Because one of the biggest kind of creative tools that I offer people is around how do we drop out of the overactive adrenal thinking mind even when we’re at work, even in the moment that you feel the most under pressure? How do we find a way to move out of the reactivity and into accessing a state of being a state of wisdom that allows you to quite astutely navigate the negotiation, the client, the employee, the context, whatever it is. And so knowing that I’ve come from that background or knowing that I went through 10 years of chronic pain, whatever it might be, is relevant for them. And the nature piece is super relevant because the context in which we’re living, physically speaking and geographically speaking, is not the one that we were designed to thrive in.

Anthea Bell [00:18:51]:
We have stored ourselves in metal boxes, and they’re glued to screens. And the way that even our eyes respond to the screen adjusts our posture, adjusts our adrenal response. Like, all of these things are feeding into each other. So I’m often recommending that people step outside the front door for just 10 minutes of light first thing in the morning. They find these things out about me because I’m I have to be open about them in order for people to understand the impact that they can create.

John Garrett [00:19:22]:
No. I mean, it’s fantastic because, I mean, it’s all of you. You know? I mean, even when you worked in the job before, I mean, they hired all of you. They didn’t hire just the fundraising piece of you. You know? And so it’s always interesting to me how our own mind tells us no one cares. That has nothing to do with your job, and yet people do care. And and like you said, what was missing was connection, like genuine connection. Not, hey.

John Garrett [00:19:47]:
We work together, and we do this project together. It’s, no, who are you? Like, who else are you, you know, beyond this work? And it doesn’t have to get super, super deep and creepy, but just a little bit. Like, I mean, just what’s your hand is just that little glimpse of the magnificent spiritual being that you are. Like, what’s your hand is just a little peek in there. And, you know, because I know that some people feel uncomfortable with, well, these are people I work with. I’m like, yeah. You’re around them more waking hours than your family. Like, get to know them.

John Garrett [00:20:18]:
You know, have that connection.

Anthea Bell [00:20:19]:
But I think most people are just I mean, there’s 2 things to me. 1 is that most people are living in a physiological response to that environment, which it shuts them down from connection because the biggest priority is actually the safety of getting the task done, whatever the 50,000 are on the list. So they’re not predisposed physiologically or in a nervous system perspective to be able to pause for long enough to feel safe, for long enough to connect, for long enough to then ask you the questions about who you are. But the reality is that it works with the way around also because connection is the quickest way of getting yourself out of the adrenal response. So someone can pause, can be willing to be like, let’s go for a cup of tea in the canteen and tell me about your weekend with your kids. That is going to make an enormous difference to them feeling like their job is this thing that’s kinda neutral that they do during the day, and they get to have this huge life all the way around it because of the finance that it gives and the structure that it gives and the permanency that it gives. You know? So taking the time to find out, like, what is the end of my next door neighbor, it’s really relevant. It also creates, in my experience, beautiful opportunities, not just of serendipity, but of you know, if I use the neighbor example, if I develop a a little bond with Gail upstairs because we have a shared passion about spirituality, then you can bet that it’s Gail that I will go and knock on the door of when I need a parcel delivered or I need to borrow some eggs or whatever it might be.

Anthea Bell [00:21:44]:
And that creates community. And community, we need, primitively speaking. Our bodies need it, our minds need it, our souls need it to expand.

John Garrett [00:21:53]:
Absolutely. That community also in the office. If do people have a similar thing? If somebody’s in a different department, that’s somebody I’m gonna go to. And if I ask for the not quite the exact report I need, that person will say, here’s what I think you actually need, and they’ll help you. And then now we’re we’re getting things done better as opposed to creating this confrontational maybe I’m speaking from personal experience from people in other departments where it’s an adversarial situation. But I love that. That’s so fantastic. Yeah.

John Garrett [00:22:20]:
So do you have any words of encouragement to people listening where they think, you know, maybe I have this super important busy job, and no one cares about who I am as a human?

Anthea Bell [00:22:31]:
Yeah. I would say that’s based on a belief. I would say that’s based on a belief, and you have the opportunity to pause the script. You know, we make a big distinction in my work between feelings and thoughts. And often, we think that we’re feeling a feeling, and actually, we’re ruminating about a story that we’ve created or that we’ve come to believe. So if you have the belief as you go into the office environment, I’m not interesting. This isn’t worth my time. Then it’s worth noticing what are the gains in that current narrative that you’re playing and what might you be afraid of in creating human connection.

Anthea Bell [00:23:07]:
And if it’s that you discover, okay, well, my passion for Frisbee was invalidated when I was a kid, then that just gives you a sense of the legacy. And you get the opportunity to create a different story by allowing life to teach you something different. But fundamentally, like all of this that we do starts with openness and a curiosity and a willing to be proven wrong. And I think that one, a willingness to be proven wrong from a place of faith, is critical.

John Garrett [00:23:38]:
That’s really deep. Yeah. And and it’s scared because it’s you know, that’s something that when you’re proven wrong at work, oh, danger. You know? Like, you’re gonna get fired and get shunned and be out in the cold all by yourself and, you know, perish. You know? And it’s like, no. It’s okay. We’re good. You know? This isn’t heart surgery most of the time, so we’ll be fine.

John Garrett [00:23:59]:
Well, this has been awesome. So awesome I knew it would be because you’re amazing. And so before I wrap this up though, I figured it’s only fair to turn the tables and, make it the Anthea Bell podcast, which, of course, you have your own, but this is a different version of Finding Your Way Home, which I was a guest on, and you were gracious enough to have me on. But yeah. So I’m in the hot seat. Any questions you have since I rudely peppered you with questions in the beginning. Whatever you got.

Anthea Bell [00:24:27]:
What’s your ice cream flavor?

John Garrett [00:24:29]:
Probably like a chocolate chip cookie dough. Anything with chunks in it. I need to maximize my calorie intake, apparently. So, yeah, chunks. Juul.

Anthea Bell [00:24:39]:
It’s supposed to be the mouthfeel, though. It’s like the satisfaction of actually chunking

John Garrett [00:24:43]:
Yes. Exactly.

Anthea Bell [00:24:45]:
I would love to know what is the most common judgment that you make about yourself.

John Garrett [00:24:49]:
Oh, yeah. Wow. Just that I’m not special or unique or don’t have enough to provide to others or that I’m not enough, I guess, in general. That’s definitely something that pops up.

Anthea Bell [00:25:05]:
And if I was to ask you on a more positive taint, the stretch that you’re the most committed to making this year, like, the stretchy, challenging, I’m kind of in the hot seat, and I’m pushing myself to grow. What is that for you?

John Garrett [00:25:20]:
So I think it’s to share more of me and my ideas and thoughts and get them more out in the world, whether it’s through, you know, YouTube or, you know, social media videos or even through, you know, speaking, going deeper on that. Not holding back. I guess just, in general, letting down the guardrails and just letting it rip. I think that for some reason, it’s like a bowler that, you know, bowls the 300 every time. And for some reason, they have the kiddie rails on the side. And it’s like, why do you have those up? That’s dumb. You’re not even gonna hit them. Like, you’re an amazing bowler.

John Garrett [00:25:58]:
And I feel like I’m that, not in bowling at all, but in life, but I still have the rails up. And it’s like, no. No. No. Pull the rails down and just go, and good things will happen. And so I think it’s more of that.

Anthea Bell [00:26:10]:
I really hear that. That’s me done with my question.

John Garrett [00:26:13]:
Well, thank you so much for being a part of this, Anthea. This has been so much goodness in in such a short time. So thank you for being a part of What’s Your “And”?.

Anthea Bell [00:26:21]:
Thank you for having me.

John Garrett [00:26:26]:
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