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John Garrett [00:00:00]:
Hey, this is John Garrett. I’m passionate about making work more human, especially in this age of AI. I don’t just host this podcast, I also help organizations put people first through my keynote speaking, coaching and what’s yous and implementation programs. To learn more or to connect with me on LinkedIn or Instagram, I invite you to join the movement@whatsyourand.com now let’s jump into this week’s conversation.

Tim Allen [00:00:28]:
Hey, my name is Tim Allen and when I’m not writing about cars or taking in a motorcycle race, I’m listening to John Garrett on What’s Your “And”?™.

John Garrett [00:00:35]:
Welcome to episode 701 of What’s Your “”And”?! This is John Garrett and each Wednesday I interview a professional who, just like me, is known for a hobby or a passion or an interest outside of work. And to put it another way, it’s encouraging people to find their and those things above and beyond your technical skills. It’s the things that actually differentiate you when you’re at work. It’s the answer to the question of who else are you beyond the job title. And if you like what the show’s about, be sure to check out the award-winning best best-selling book on Amazon, Indigo, Barnes and Noble Bookshop, a few other websites. All the links are www.whatsyourand.com the book goes more in depth with the research behind why these outside-of-work passions are so crucial to your corporate culture. And I can’t say how much it means that everyone’s reading it and writing such great reviews on Amazon. Thank you so much for those.

John Garrett [00:01:27]:
It’s silly how much that matters and more importantly, changing the cultures where they work because of it. And if you want me to read it to you, that’s right, this voice, reading the book, look for What’s Your “And”? on Audible or wherever you get your audiobooks. And please don’t forget to subscribe to the podcast so you don’t miss any of the future episodes. I love sharing such interesting stories each and every week and this week is no different with my guest, Tim Allen. He’s the Chief Growth Officer at MBE CPAs out of Wisconsin and now he’s with me here today. Tim, thanks so much for taking time to be with me on What’s Your “And”?.

Tim Allen [00:01:58]:
Hey, you bet I’m excited, John. This, this should be good. I. I’ve been dreaming about this day for. Well, I’m gonna probably six or seven minutes now, so.

John Garrett [00:02:06]:
Ah, there you go. There you go. Perfect. Well, we met a couple of years ago after I spoke at a Conference and then met up again when I was speaking somewhere else. So it’s cool to have you be a part of this. So thank you, man.

Tim Allen [00:02:16]:
Yeah, I appreciate it.

John Garrett [00:02:17]:
Absolutely. So we get this show started with 17 rapid fire questions. There are things I probably should have asked you over some deep dish pizza in Chicago when we were hanging out, but I didn’t.

Tim Allen [00:02:27]:
It was a little loud down there.

John Garrett [00:02:28]:
It was a little loud. You’re not lying, that’s for sure. Here we go. What’s your favorite color?

Tim Allen [00:02:33]:
Purple.

John Garrett [00:02:34]:
Oh, interesting. Okay, how about a least favorite color?

Tim Allen [00:02:38]:
Probably a beige.

John Garrett [00:02:40]:
Oh, yeah? Yeah, it’s kind of.

Tim Allen [00:02:42]:
Ugh.

John Garrett [00:02:42]:
How about puzzles? Sudoku, crossword jigsaw puzzle?

Tim Allen [00:02:45]:
Wordle love jigsaw puzzles.

John Garrett [00:02:48]:
How about your first concert?

Tim Allen [00:02:50]:
Oh, God, it’s funny. I was just talking about this, so it was probably, I won’t say how many years ago, but let’s just say it was disco was just start. I went to a Kiss concert with my dad.

John Garrett [00:03:00]:
Wow.

Tim Allen [00:03:01]:
I think I was in fifth grade. My dad took me in a buddy. It was an experience, you know, because it’s a concert and all sorts of things were being offered to us and my dad kept having to wave them away. So yeah, we saw it was fifth grade, so it was a good time.

John Garrett [00:03:13]:
That’s amazing, man. That’s so. I mean, I know you’re a big concert guy too, and I love going to concerts as well, so. But the first one’s always epic. It’s always epic.

Tim Allen [00:03:21]:
Yeah.

John Garrett [00:03:21]:
Or you say you’re more of an early bird or a night owl.

Tim Allen [00:03:24]:
Well, I’m more of an early bird now. Used to be a night owl. And now as I’m getting into a little bit later in my life, I tend to get up earlier and I like the quietness, the stillness of the morning.

John Garrett [00:03:34]:
There you go. Yeah, I agree, man. I agree. Do you have a favorite actor or an actress?

Tim Allen [00:03:38]:
No, I hate them all equally. No, just kidding. No, I mean, there’s a lot that I enjoy and there’s certain ones that I always try to catch. A movie, I will say, just because it’ll tie into something probably we’ll talk about later, but I had a chance to meet Keanu Reeves about a month ago and I’ve always enjoyed his movies. And then I found the funny part was as the conversation I had with him. He probably said more words than he ever said in any movie.

John Garrett [00:04:03]:
That’s a good point, man.

Tim Allen [00:04:04]:
But he’s a really, really good guy, really interesting guy. And I was appreciative to meet him and Just have a conversation with him away from cameras or, you know, I mean, also, it was. It was pretty fun.

John Garrett [00:04:15]:
No, I agree, man. Ditto on that. He’s a good dude, that’s for sure. How about toilet paper roll? You go over or under?

Tim Allen [00:04:22]:
Definitely over.

John Garrett [00:04:23]:
Yeah. Do you change it when you go somewhere?

Tim Allen [00:04:25]:
Yes, I do. I absolutely do. Yeah. Well, I have a little. Maybe ocd, I don’t know. You know, maybe, maybe not, but it just hurts right now.

John Garrett [00:04:33]:
Absolutely. How about Star wars or Star Trek?

Tim Allen [00:04:37]:
Star Wars.

John Garrett [00:04:38]:
Yeah. I’m saying I think definitely.

Tim Allen [00:04:39]:
I mean, I watched Star Trek, you know, the reruns, back when I was a kid, and I don’t have anything against it, but Star wars was more up my alley.

John Garrett [00:04:46]:
How about your computer? PC or Mac?

Tim Allen [00:04:49]:
PC.

John Garrett [00:04:50]:
How about ice cream? You go cupper in a cone?

Tim Allen [00:04:52]:
It depends. My favorite’s a waffle cone.

John Garrett [00:04:54]:
Fancy upgrade. Look at you.

Tim Allen [00:04:56]:
Yeah, yeah. You know, I’m highfalutin, but, you know, but it depends, on some days, if it’s, like, really hot, I’m doing a cup just because it. The cone tends to just be messy.

John Garrett [00:05:07]:
Exactly. Exactly. Pineapple on a pizza, yes or no? Yeah, totally, man. I agree.

Tim Allen [00:05:12]:
Yeah, why not? If you can put anchovies on pizza, you can put pineapple on pizza.

John Garrett [00:05:16]:
There you go. That’s a solid argument right there. You can’t beat that. Talk or text?

Tim Allen [00:05:21]:
Talking, but I do both. If I really want to have a conversation with my children. It’s text, but I prefer, and I think it’s a lost art in this day and age. Sound like an old man, but. Yeah, I think it’s a lost art to sit down and have a conversation with someone and be able to speak with them.

John Garrett [00:05:36]:
Totally. But I also find it’s just more efficient. I mean, it’s, you know, rather than 18 messages back and forth, it’s just, pick up the phone, 30 seconds, done. Here’s what I mean.

Tim Allen [00:05:45]:
Yes, agree.

John Garrett [00:05:46]:
There’s no misinterpretation of the tone. There’s no sarcasm font I’m able to send you when I reply to your emails. Especially you, Tim. You know, of course. All right, we got a couple more. Did you have a favorite cartoon as a kid?

Tim Allen [00:06:00]:
No, but I was probably partial to Roadrunner and the Looney Tunes. Yeah. But, you know, I mean, I think I’m of that generation that I watched a lot of cartoons. Saturday morning was cartoons and cereal.

John Garrett [00:06:11]:
Oh, yeah, absolutely, man. I was worried you were going to say you hated all of them equally, so.

Tim Allen [00:06:16]:
Oh, no, no, no. There’s very Few things in this world I hate. Right? I know, I know. And that’s a strong word.

John Garrett [00:06:22]:
Do you have A favorite number?

Tim Allen [00:06:24]:
9.

John Garrett [00:06:25]:
9. Is there a reason?

Tim Allen [00:06:27]:
Yeah. So I was a soccer player in my youth. Not a very good one, but at the time, the. My favorite player was a gentleman by the name of Giorgio Canalia that played for the New York Cosmos in the old nasl. He wore number nine. I always just loved that. And then as my daughter got into soccer, she loved me, a ham who wore number nine, so it just kind of was a thing. My daughter wore nine all the way through her high school career, so just was our number.

John Garrett [00:06:52]:
Since you’re in Wisconsin, rain or snow?

Tim Allen [00:06:55]:
I’ll take snow.

John Garrett [00:06:56]:
I agree, man. Rain’s the best.

Tim Allen [00:06:57]:
It’s better to look at. Yeah, rain causes a lot more problems with flooding and stuff, so.

John Garrett [00:07:03]:
Yeah, yeah, yeah. Like, it’s just rain at night when I’m sleeping, so then everything’s watered, we’re all good, and then.

Tim Allen [00:07:10]:
Yeah, I’ll say. I’ll say one thing. There’s nothing better than a good thunderstorm overnight.

John Garrett [00:07:14]:
Right. Okay.

Tim Allen [00:07:15]:
I appreciate it.

John Garrett [00:07:16]:
Yeah, totally. Do you have a favorite sports team?

Tim Allen [00:07:19]:
Oh, Green Bay packers, by far.

John Garrett [00:07:21]:
All right, there you go. And the last one. Favorite thing you have or the favorite thing you own?

Tim Allen [00:07:25]:
Oh, boy. I’ve owned a lot of really cool and great things in my life. Motorcycles, cars, houses, you name it. But I think the. The favorite thing I own right now, and it’s probably always been my favorite, is a. Signed by each member of Super Bowl 1 winning Green Bay Packers. Wow. That includes Vince Lombardi.

Tim Allen [00:07:41]:
Yeah. So that’s kind of a cool thing. My father got it. Some conflicting memories of how he got it, but I think he did a speaking engagement or some sort of workshop for them, some legal work. He was an attorney, and so they paid him with an autograph. Football.

John Garrett [00:07:54]:
Wow.

Tim Allen [00:07:55]:
I remember we never got to touch it as a kid. Never, you know, got to touch it. Never played with it. Obviously, he passed away, so it’s really more important to me than just a football. There’s some nostalgia and sentimental value there, but, yeah, that’s the. That’s the cool thing. So.

John Garrett [00:08:10]:
Yeah.

Tim Allen [00:08:10]:
Yeah, that’s probably the. I think that’s probably my favorite.

John Garrett [00:08:12]:
And you’re not allowed to touch it as an adult either.

Tim Allen [00:08:14]:
No, I have it, and I have it in a glass case. I didn’t let my kids touch it when they were little. You know, I know my son. My son wanted to take it out one day and play football with it. I’m like, gosh, no.

John Garrett [00:08:23]:
So that’s super cool, man. I mean, it’s got, like, Lombardi fingerprints on it.

Tim Allen [00:08:28]:
Yeah, it does. Really?

John Garrett [00:08:29]:
Awesome. Well, let’s talk freelance writing. Like, how’d you get started with that? Were you always into writing as a kid or was it later?

Tim Allen [00:08:37]:
I’ve always liked to write. I actually got myself in trouble in high school for writing a black market new student newspaper. And then.

John Garrett [00:08:44]:
Yeah.

Tim Allen [00:08:45]:
Yeah, and then I made the biggest mistake was making copies of it on the office copy machine, which got me suspended for two days. But I’ve always loved to write. I like writing. You know, I’m pretty good at. My mom was an English teacher, so she always told me, you know, if you can write, you’ll always have some job, you know, she probably couldn’t predict AI whatever, but, you know, she always said, you’ll always have a job and you’ll always do well. So I like to write, and it comes in handy, you know, I used to have my own blog years ago, Marketing blog. Just ran out of time. All my LinkedIn posts that I put out there are my own writing.

Tim Allen [00:09:18]:
I don’t use AI. I try not to. I’ve used it a couple of times, but most of it’s my own idea. I’ve written articles for the Wisconsin Institute of CPAs. I’ve written for Accounting Today. You know, my industry stuff. So I like to write.

John Garrett [00:09:32]:
Yeah, that’s cool, man. And do you have any favorite memories of writing or favorite pieces that you’ve done throughout your life?

Tim Allen [00:09:39]:
You know, it’s funny because, I mean, we alluded to it earlier. I like motorsports, motorcycles, car racing, that kind of stuff, you name it. And I’ve been given the chance to combine those passions of writing and automotive and motorsports, sort of as this freelance writer. And so it’s not so much the story, but I’ve had the chance to talk to some really interesting people. You know, Dr. McDreamy, I talked to Aaron Shelby, who is the grandson of Carol Shelby of Ford vs Ferrari fame and all this stuff. Fabio, the male model? Yeah, yeah. I’ve spoken some really cool people.

Tim Allen [00:10:14]:
So I think that’s the biggest thing is, you know, the fact that this opportunity has given me that.

John Garrett [00:10:18]:
Yeah. So were you interviewing these people?

Tim Allen [00:10:20]:
Yeah, most of the time it’s over the phone, but yeah, I actually sit down and have a conversation, kind of like what we’re doing, and I ask. I have about, you know, 13, 15 questions depending on what direction we go, and I try to keep them all very similar because it’s all part of a sort of an ongoing series feature. But, yeah, so they’re pretty cool people. You know, I haven’t run into a single person that’s a. You know, into cars or motorcycles. That is not cool. You know, that has been a jerk to me. So that’s pretty cool.

John Garrett [00:10:45]:
And that’s how the Keanu Reeves experience just happened as well, right? Yeah.

Tim Allen [00:10:50]:
I was kind of a fanboy when I met him because we had a nice conversation. I said, look, I’ve been trying to track you down for like four years to get an injury.

John Garrett [00:10:57]:
Not nervous at all. Not nervous at all. Like, it’s like, I gotta go see you, man. This guy’s crazy.

Tim Allen [00:11:02]:
Yeah. I just said, yeah, I’ve been trying to track you down. And he’s like, oh, you should try to get a hold of my publicist. And I’m like, okay. You know, I think it was a polite way of saying, keep trying. I should have had a recording device and said, let’s do it right now. But it was really cool. So, yeah, I’ve talked to some pretty cool people and I’ve got to experience some cool events because of it, so it’s a good thing.

John Garrett [00:11:23]:
Well, that’s neat. And they get to experience you as well, man.

Tim Allen [00:11:26]:
I’m a handful at times, so.

John Garrett [00:11:27]:
Yeah, but I mean, you get to go behind the scenes and because you’re such a big fan of it, then you’re able to see. See some of how the sausage is made or some of the, you know, you’re on the sidelines, if you will, or all this stuff, you know. That’s really neat, man. That’s awesome. And do you feel like any of the writing and. Or the. The motorsports or all the. Translates to work at all, anything from your.

John Garrett [00:11:49]:
And that you bring to your corporate job?

Tim Allen [00:11:51]:
Oh, absolutely. Yeah. I think in some obvious and maybe not so obvious ways. Obviously, for most of my life, professional life, I’ve been in marketing and business development, growth in general with accounting firms. So obviously trying to track down and contact a celebrity or someone in the motorsports industry and others as, you know, part of that freelance writing gig, it’s really helped me kind of develop better pitches to them. Right. So, you know, to be able to say to them, hey, I’d like to do an interview, that’s kind of bland, but being able to turn around saying, hey, I’d like to share your passion with my readers and let them understand, you know, your. I’m going to use your term, your.

Tim Allen [00:12:26]:
And. Right. I think that’s Helped me be a little bit better business developer. Also got me to be more persistent at being persistent and got a little bit clever, you know, in my approaches. So, yeah, I think there’s a lot that I can take. Maybe not obvious, but when you start to boil it down and think about it, you’re like, hey, my pitches now in my professional life are a little bit more clever, a little more prepared. I’m asking better questions maybe and being able to come to a conversation similar to like this, you know, having seen things from multiple angles and being able to, to go in a different direction and obviously, you know, the writing skills. I’ve had a chance a couple times for a couple of publications to write full length feature articles.

Tim Allen [00:13:06]:
And so being able to do that helps me also do what I do in my professional life.

John Garrett [00:13:12]:
Yeah, I mean, because asking you to, to not bring that writing side or that, you know, sports, you know, car, you know, motorcycle side to work is, is like, can you cut your right arm off and leave it out in the car? Like, you can’t do that, you know, that’s crazy. So do you share this side of you with others? Do they know about, about the, the ands that Tim Allen.

Tim Allen [00:13:33]:
Yeah, I mean, I’ll speak about it occasionally and you know, obviously if it comes up in a group setting, you know, where someone brings it up and says, hey, I saw your latest, latest interview or something, you know, I’ll bring it up. Especially if someone haven’t heard the story before. I try not to bring it up, you know, on purpose. Unless someone else brings it up or if they, if I find out, hey, this person’s a car person. I didn’t know that. You know, we’ve been working together for the last nine months. All of a sudden I realize you’re, you know, you like to restore cars in your spare time. Oh, hell yeah.

Tim Allen [00:14:01]:
I’m gonna sit and talk to you about it because I, I don’t have the skill or restore cars, but I can write about it, right. And I enjoy it, I can appreciate it. So yeah, I’ll do it. That, I mean, it’s come up and you know, I try not to bring it up because I’m the type person, I don’t want to be like, oh, and by the way, I just got done talking to Patrick Dempsey. Right. You know, that’s name dropping type stuff, which I just did, you know, so it works, it works.

John Garrett [00:14:24]:
That’s so Midwest of you though, you know, like, I mean, I’m saying, you know, because it’s like, oh, by the way, I don’t want to let you know that I’m awesome, you know, type of a thing, but I feel like, to a degree, we’re all awesome in our own way. In the same way that what’s your and Is our collective message, and none of us wants to share any of the awesome. So then none of us are like. It’s just. It’s like. But on the flip side, we’re all awesome if we would just share just little glimpses, you know? Just little, little glimpses.

Tim Allen [00:14:52]:
I think that’s what makes us interesting people, right? I’ve talked to people that I have, like, no interest in their hobby, but I listened to him, like, man, I can tell you are passionate about it. I can tell you love it. That is so cool. Something I can’t do, nor do I really want to do it. But, man, that is still pretty cool that you have found that, right? A lot of us in the working world, we kind of, you know, live these boring, mundane lives at times, and you have to have something outside of work if work is dragging you down, that gets you up, you know, what do you get up in the morning for? What gets you going?

John Garrett [00:15:24]:
Yeah, And I found, too, that, like, talking about your and is always awesome. I mean, always. I mean, even if you mountain bike and you wreck your mountain bike or you twist an ankle ballroom dancing or whatever, it’s still awesome. You know, where work sometimes is awesome, but sometimes it’s not. And so, you know, like, having that and. And these other dimensions to who you are just makes you better at your job and just a better human overall.

Tim Allen [00:15:49]:
Yeah. And I think, you know, maybe we’ve gotten away from that in the last maybe five, ten years, whatever. But I think having the ability just to sit and talk to someone, you know, we’re. I hear the phrase we’re more similar than we are dissimilar. Right. So learning what someone’s up to, you know, gives you the ability to understand them a little bit better, you know, and even we talk about work stuff, you know, I think people understand me when I do bring it up and we do talk about it, and it’s not often, but I think they are like, oh, that’s cool. You know, that understands why, you know, you get up, and when I ask you what you did over the weekend, you tell me about this cars and coffee event, right? Well, now I understand it. You know, maybe it’s not for me, but I understand, understand.

Tim Allen [00:16:29]:
And I’m like, yeah, it’s.

John Garrett [00:16:30]:
It’s something I do so, no, I mean, because. And whenever you’re talking about it, your eyes light up, you’re alive, you’re fully activated as a human being. Yeah, I want to be around that. You know, whether or not it’s a thing I do or want to do or even. I don’t even know what that means, like, what words you’re saying, but, man, you’re alive. And that’s awesome. More of this, you know, type of thing. And I mean, just imagine if organizations were just full of people that were that all the time.

John Garrett [00:16:57]:
Like, how cool would that be?

Tim Allen [00:16:59]:
Like, isn’t that the goal for an organization? If you get your people fully engaged and passionate about what they do, man, things would be so much better and a lot easier.

John Garrett [00:17:09]:
I mean, they say that’s the goal, and then they don’t always have it. Like, the do as I say, not as I do doesn’t always. You know, it doesn’t always add up.

Tim Allen [00:17:17]:
Yeah, we want your passion. We want you fully engaged, but you need to sit at that desk from 9 to 5 and not leave. We won’t chain you, but you can just pretend it’s chained. Right. Or, hey, we want you to be fully engaged, and we want to have your best ideas and your best creativity and your best work, but we don’t want you to do it from home.

John Garrett [00:17:38]:
Or not that creative. Like, hold on, it still has to be blue. Like, you can’t not do blue. Like, it’s gotta be like, all right, exactly. Or, what did you do every six minutes? It’s like, yeah, really, you know? Well, maybe you’ve been there. Make a charge.

Tim Allen [00:17:51]:
That’s an inside joke, by the way.

John Garrett [00:17:52]:
Yeah. On the timesheets. But maybe make it. I mean, in the research I’ve done over the years, I mean, people use an excuse for not sharing their And, as there isn’t a charge code to get to know each other. Well, why not? Maybe there should be. Like, how about it?

Tim Allen [00:18:09]:
You know? And then why. Why wouldn’t there be time built into the day? Doesn’t have to be a lot of time. 15 minutes, 20 minutes. Built in the day to get to know someone. Right. Whether it’s internally or externally. I try to spend. I spend a lot of my Friday mornings having conversations over a cup of coffee.

Tim Allen [00:18:28]:
In person with people that are in my network or people that I want to get to know better, whether it’s for work purposes or just, hey, I read something that you. You’re doing this, and I think it’s cool. Let’s grab a cup of coffee. Right. And I think that’s a lost art for a lot of people. And I’ve had a lot of people raise eyebrows at me because, you know, they think there’s an ulterior motive. Like, yeah, that’s kind of creepy to just sit and talk to each other over a cup of coffee. Right.

Tim Allen [00:18:50]:
You know, but no, it isn’t. That’s how, that’s how you get to know someone.

John Garrett [00:18:53]:
It’s just two dudes hanging out or two people hanging out. Like.

Tim Allen [00:18:55]:
Well, some of my, my best friends here in the latter part, you know, the last four or five years, I met at a cars and coffee event which is designed exactly that everybody’s got a passion for cars. We come together, share a cup of coffee and talk about cars, your car, their car, someone else’s car, racing events, whatever. And that shared passion is pretty powerful.

John Garrett [00:19:16]:
And all those people probably don’t work in cars. They have corporate jobs that then maybe leads to work eventually at some point. But even if it doesn’t, it’s still awesome human interaction. And, you know, that’s, that’s really what it is. I mean, that’s, that’s cool, man. That’s. That’s great. So do you have any words of encouragement to anyone listening that thinks that they have an.

John Garrett [00:19:37]:
And that no one cares about or. It has nothing to do with my job, so.

Tim Allen [00:19:40]:
Well, another great question because, you know, I’ve thought about this similarly, you know, on and off for a while because I’m a pretty introspective person at times. So I really try to analyze where I am in my life, what I’m doing, you know, who I am. I think the greatest barrier for people is that they’re afraid to be who they are. Right. They’re either been chastised for it or they’ve been ridiculed for it. They’re afraid to show weaknesses and even maybe their strengths, their. And right. Because of ridicule or retribution or, you know, the thought they’re going to be called out and made fun of, you know, And I was similar.

Tim Allen [00:20:13]:
I’m not preaching. I was very similar until I got into my, you know, mid-40s maybe. And then I was like, you know, you know what? This is who I am. You know, I’ve been this person now for 40 plus years. This is who I am. I’m comfortable with it, you know, so eventually you learn that you can’t please all the people all the time. Some people, some relationships really aren’t worth stressing out over more anymore. So you Know, once I kind of got comfortable in my own skin, those barriers to sharing and being who I am and everything else start coming down.

John Garrett [00:20:40]:
Yeah, no, I agree with you totally. Because from doing so many interviews and so much of this research and speaking at so many conferences and people coming up after and talking to them and I feel like we get so spun around that we forget who we are at all, let alone should we share it. And then we numb it with work and whatever. And then someone like me comes along and reminds the other parts of you that like, hey, you matter too. And then they start to poke out and people get uncomfortable because they’re like, I don’t even know what’s there. I don’t want to go look because I’m scared of what I’m going to find. So I’d rather just put on the blinders and just go through life as a zombie.

Tim Allen [00:21:27]:
Yep, you get numb to it. And you know, it’s funny you say that because when we first met, I think was Savannah, Georgia a couple years ago, I think had the cpaf.

John Garrett [00:21:35]:
Yeah, no, no, that was in Portland, Maine. No, it’s Portland mainland Maine.

Tim Allen [00:21:38]:
Portland, Maine. Your talk had. It did have a profound impact, I’ll say that honestly. I’m not blowing smoke up you know where, but it’s like, yeah, what is my end? You know, because I’ve always had a mantra when I was in a job I didn’t like or things weren’t going the well, it’s like, you know, who I am is not defined by what I do for a living, but I never got to that. But what’s your and right. You know, it’s like I’m unhappy. I’m working in a miserable insurance job. I’m unhappy.

Tim Allen [00:22:07]:
But what’s the flip of that, right? So, yeah, this is good. It makes you think. And I love listening to people talk and tell stories that make me think and get me to the point. I’m like, that’s an epiphany moment for me.

John Garrett [00:22:19]:
That’s cool. Thanks man. That means a lot because, you know, it’s just trying to just hit pause long enough for you to catch your breath and go, oh, yeah, I never thought about that. You know, it’s almost like the merry go round on the playground where, you know, kids are flying off or I don’t know, they’ve probably put a built in safety features by now. And I just come along and just stop it and just say, hey, all you kids that are barfing and like, you know, you know, nauseated and dizzy and do you want to be on this ride anymore, or do you just want to, like, step off for a minute and come back, you know, and. And it’s like, oh, somebody stop. You can stop the ride. That’s crazy.

John Garrett [00:22:54]:
You know, it’s like. Like you break the matrix a little bit type of thing.

Tim Allen [00:22:58]:
Yeah, absolutely.

John Garrett [00:22:59]:
No, I. I love it, man. Thank you so much for that and for being a part of this and a living example of what’s your end. I feel like it’s only fair, though, since I peppered you with questions at the beginning, we turn the tables, make this the Tim Allen podcast. I’m very nervous. Don’t judge me. As you alluded to, I’m throwing you softballs. All right, all right.

John Garrett [00:23:17]:
These aren’t the Keanu Reeves questions, right?

Tim Allen [00:23:19]:
Or is number three going to be, what’s the meaning?

John Garrett [00:23:21]:
You know, Keanu Reeves? And I’ll be like, ah. Like, no.

Tim Allen [00:23:26]:
So I took more of, like, an either or so. Coffee or tea?

John Garrett [00:23:30]:
Tea. I missed the coffee train in college or I don’t know when people get on it, but I missed the train, and I’m kind of glad I did by now because I know a lot of people that can’t function without it. And. Yeah, so, I mean, I get. I’m more hot chocolate, to be honest. If I can break your rule, I go hot chocolate, then tea, and then. Yeah, I mean, nothing.

Tim Allen [00:23:50]:
Okay, perfect. Bacon or sausage?

John Garrett [00:23:53]:
Yeah, I think I’m gonna go bacon. Bacon just makes everything amazing. You can’t put sausage with Brussels sprouts.

Tim Allen [00:23:59]:
That’s true. Bacon goes with everything. That’s the right choice. So flipping it up a little bit. Sausage or pepperoni on your pizza?

John Garrett [00:24:06]:
Since we had the last time, I’ll probably go pepperoni. I think it’s more consistent. Sausage. There’s different kinds of sausages out there. There’s different kinds of. You know, is it going to be the disc sausage? Is it going to be the round? It’s going to be crunchy or fluffy? Like, it’s just. Is it more like hamburger or is it. There’s too many variables.

John Garrett [00:24:24]:
Pepperonis at least. Like, there’s a thickness variable, and that’s about it.

Tim Allen [00:24:27]:
That’s a good point, because I’ve had sausage that was so spicy, I didn’t.

John Garrett [00:24:31]:
Know it hit me. That, too.

Tim Allen [00:24:32]:
This just shouldn’t be on my pizza. So good. Last question. Lying on the beach or taking in a museum?

John Garrett [00:24:38]:
Oh, lying on the beach. Yeah. Yeah, for sure. I mean, museums are great and all, but if I’m going to be on a vacation. I don’t need to be learning a whole lot.

Tim Allen [00:24:49]:
I want to shut my brain down.

John Garrett [00:24:50]:
Pretty much just chill. And. And plus, I mean, it’s. It’s nice to just unplug. Borderline meditation. Ish. You know, with the waves and all that.

John Garrett [00:25:01]:
Yeah, so definitely the beach. So cool, man.

Tim Allen [00:25:04]:
Well, good. That. That’s all. That’s what I know that works.

John Garrett [00:25:06]:
Well, I appreciate it, Tim. Thank you so much for being a part of What’s Your “And”?!

Tim Allen [00:25:10]:
Sounds good. I appreciate you for having me on, John.

John Garrett [00:25:16]:
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