Welcome to Episode 365 of What’s Your “And”? This is John Garrett, and each Wednesday, I interview a professional who, just like me, is known for a hobby or a passion or an interest outside of work. To put it another way, it’s encouraging people to find their “And”, those things above and beyond your technical skills, the things that actually differentiate you when you’re at work.

I’m so excited to let everyone know that my book is out. You can go to whatsyourand.com for all the details or links to Amazon, Indigo, Book Depository, Barnes and Noble, a few other websites. It’s just really cool to see how much people are reading it and changing their work cultures where they work because of it. The Amazon reviews are just so kind. Thank you so much for that. If you’ve read it and can drop a review, that would be super cool, too.

Please don’t forget to hit subscribe to the podcast so you don’t miss any of the future episodes. I love sharing such interesting stories each and every week, and this week is no different with my guest, Chip Schweiger. He’s an audit partner at PKF Texas in Houston. He’s a full-time accountant, part-time cowboy, and now he’s with me here today. Chip, thanks so much for taking time to be with me on What’s Your “And”?

Chip: Absolutely, John. Glad to be here. Looking forward to it.

John: Oh, man, I’m so excited for this. I can’t even tell you how excited I am. We have 17 rapid-fire questions first, to get to know Chip right out of the gate here.

Chip: Mac for home, PC for work.

John: Okay. All right. Good for you. How about a favorite ice cream flavor?

Chip: Vanilla, no question about it. Yeah. Is there any other, other than vanilla?

John: Right? That’s always the base at least, so there you go. All right. How about a favorite season?

Chip: I like fall. I like college football. I like the leaves changing. I like all of that, and it gets close to the Holidays, so, fall is — I call it autumn, but that sounds fancier.

Chip: Yeah, exactly. Autumn, man. That’s my favorite as well, for a lot of the same reasons. How about balance sheet or income statement?

Chip: Income statement, baby. Let’s make some money.

John: There you go. There you go. How about, oceans or mountains?

Chip: Mountains.

John: Mountains. Nice. All right, how about a favorite sports team?

Chip: I went to the University of Southern California, which is a small school in LA. They are the one that I have to root for. No matter what happens, I’ve got to root for SC, but I also live in Houston. I’ve kind of become a Texan fan. I’m kind of between there or somewhere in between there.

John: No, that works. Absolutely, that works, totally, and we’ll still be friends for the next 20 minutes.

Chip: If you say so.

John: There you go. There you go. How about a favorite number?

Chip: 34.

John: Is there a reason?

Chip: That’s my football number.

John: Okay.

Chip: Yeah. It was my football number. I wanted 35 when I started in Pop Warner football. Some other big bruiser guy had 35. I was a scrawny kid. I begged for 35. He just looked at me like it’s not going to happen. I begged the coaches. They said not going to happen. I said, “Well, what do you have close?” They said, “Well, we’ve got 34 here. Nobody wants that number.” I said, “All right, I’ll take it.”

John: There you go, and then Walter Payton.

Chip: Yeah, and then a bunch of famous people followed after me.

John: Yeah. Right? I asked Walter why did he pick 34? He’s like, because Chip Schweiger, Pop Warner jersey. There you go. That’s awesome. That’s a great story, though. How about books, Kindle, real book or audio book?

Chip: Real book, although I’m not the biggest book reader. In my household, my bride is a huge book reader. In fact, she prefers real books as well. She will read a novel, get on the airplane. We’re going to fly someplace, she’ll start the book, doesn’t talk to me the entire time, grunts when she wants to drink, finishes the entire book by the time we land.

John: That’s amazing.

Chip: Oh, it’s incredible.

John: How about, Star Wars or Star Trek?

Chip: Star Wars. I actually just had a binge session with Star Wars, and we were trying to figure out, what order are you supposed to watch those in?

John: Right?

Chip: They let them out. They did all the different ones, and it’s like, no, you’ve got to go back one. You’ve got to come forward a couple. Luke Skywalker is old and then he’s a young guy. It’s kind of creepy but, yeah, Star Wars.

John: It keeps bouncing around. It’s like a Tarantino mix of just bouncing around. Where were we now? I don’t even know.

Chip: Exactly. I like the way you said that. I’ve got to remember that.

John: There you go. There you go. How about puzzles, Sudoku or crossword?

Chip: Crossword because Sudoku, I deal with numbers all the time in our business, as you know. Numbers are just not that much fun for something relaxing, so the word is where I’m at.

John: Yeah, yeah. It’s too close to work. Absolutely. How about, if you had to choose, rain or snow?

Chip: Oh, is there a third option to this one?

John: Sure, you can say neither.

Chip: Rain is okay, but we get a lot of it where I live. We live down on the coast of Texas, and you get a lot of rain. They pop up. Right now, we’ve been having a lot of rain and so I’m not the biggest on rain. I probably like some snow, but you put me in some snow and probably I’d complain about that too.

John: Right. Well, snow, it probably means you’re on vacation then because it’s not at home.

Chip: Yeah, true. True.

John: There you go. Yeah, I hate rain. I hate rain so much. It just ruins everything. Rain at night when no one’s outside, and then grass is green. Everything’s good. I’m such a baby on that. It’s hilarious. How about a favorite color?

Chip: I’d probably say orange, but safety orange. There’s a color called safety orange. This is a real deal. Right now, John’s thinking, man, what is going on here?

John: It’s bright hunter orange, no?

Chip: Yeah, it’s a little bit of — I don’t know what that color code is, but it’s a little bit of red. It’s a little bit of orange. The Coast Guard uses it. I just think it’s an orange color that I like.

John: Okay. Yeah, not Tennessee football orange.

Chip: Exactly.

John: Exactly, all right. Okay. All right.

Chip: No disrespect to Tennessee Volunteers but, yeah, it’s not that orange.

John: Total disrespect coming from me.

Chip: John Garrett, that’s with a G-A-R-R.

John: Right. I went to a game, a Notre Dame-Tennessee game in Knoxville, and I wore a bright green Kelly sweater. The lady next to me, in total head-to-toe Tennessee orange says, “Wow, that sweater’s a little obnoxious, don’t you think?” I was like, what?

Chip: Wow.

John: It was the funniest thing ever. I was like, I wish I could have recorded what just happened.

Chip: Thank you, ma’am, and you just moved on. Right?

John: Yeah, pretty much, like, yeah, whatever. How about a least favorite color?

Chip: You know what? I’m not the biggest fan of pink.

John: Okay.

John: I read someplace, and you’ll appreciate this maybe as a college football fan. I don’t remember the university. We’ll call it Michigan State, that they painted their locker room pink.

John: Yeah, the visiting locker room.

Chip: The visiting locker room, and everything was pink in there because it just kind of made people docile and calm. I’ve always remembered that. Every time I look at pink, I’m like, that’s just makes me sleepy.

John: Yeah, yeah. Right? There you go. How about a favorite adult beverage?

Chip: Oh, just the one, huh?

John: Oh, okay.

Chip: No, I’m completely kidding. A bourbon is what I usually drink. I’ve also been drinking, and this is not a plug, but Ranch Water has become popular in Texas, Southwestern United States. They’re starting to can it, so I’ve been drinking canned Ranch Water, which is pretty cool.

John: Yeah, that is cool. All right, we’ve got three more. Do you have a favorite actor or actress?

Chip: I like Denzel Washington.

John: Oh, yeah.

Chip: I’ve seen every one of his movies. None of them are the same character. Everyone is believable. You can watch him as a Navy captain and then the next movie, he’s a corrupt cop. I think his acting ability is just phenomenal.

John: Yeah, and he’s just a good person, which is also a bonus as well. All right, would you say you’re more of an early bird or a night owl?

Chip: Night owl.

John: Night owl, okay.

Chip: If I’m left to my own devices, I’ll get up about the crack at 10.

John: There you go. There you go, Pacific Time.

Chip: Pacific Time, yeah. I get my stuff in, get my workout in and then get after it, but I don’t mind being up. People who work with me know, sometimes, I get emails at 2 am. What is this guy doing? I’m just getting ready to go to bed.

John: I’m just up. Yeah, yeah.

Chip: Yeah, I’m just up.

John: The last one, the favorite thing you have or the favorite thing you own.

Chip: Oh, you know what? I’m so fortunate to have, gosh, so many great things. Every time somebody talks about the thing that you have that you’re most fond of, I reflect on my horse, and I reflect on how amazing she is and how she’s gotten my butt out of a couple of really tricky situations. I don’t really think that I own her. On paper, I owner her, but it’s more of a partnership.

John: Yeah, yeah.

Chip: So, I don’t know. Maybe my other favorite thing I own is my iPhone.

John: Sure. Right. Okay.

Chip: Connect to the world and get work done and post pictures and all that stuff.

John: Yeah. What’s the name of your horse?

Chip: Her registered name is MAM Misty Blue. She’s a registered Quarter Horse. I call her whiskey.

John: Okay.

Chip: There’s a story there, which all of my friends, a lot of them who are real cowboys, working cowboys who have been very generous with their time and sort of let me into their world, they said never name a horse whiskey. Whatever you do, never name a mare, whiskey, because you’re just asking for trouble.

John: And then you did.

Chip: And then I did, yeah.

John: Right? Has it been trouble?

Chip: She’s tried to throw me off. If I’m not respectful, she’ll try to throw me off a couple of times, and she’s tried that a couple of times. She’s succeeded once or twice, but we have a good partnership. As long as I ask nicely, she’ll generally give me what I want.

John: There you go. There you go. That’s fantastic, which goes right into your “and” of being a cowboy, which is so cool. I saw it on social media. I read the article as well. A bit ago, we had been trading messages for a little bit. How did you get started on that? Because you can’t just, one day, us, city slickers, where you just rollover out of bed, and you’re like, yeah, I’m a cowboy now, type of thing.

Chip: It’s funny. I say I’m a part-time cowboy. The people that I respect the most in this world are actually working cowboys that work out on ranches that have been doing it for hundreds of yours. They’re amazing people. They’re honest. They have grit. They have integrity. They have a work ethic that’s beyond belief. I, a bunch of years ago, said, I really emulate these guys. I’m too old to take that up as a profession, but I can certainly do my part in terms of spreading the word about the western way of life, about Western Heritage and about the American working cowboy.

I started to do that when we were growing up in Southern California. My dad had a friend from SC where I went to school and where he went to school, that had horses up in the hills above LA. We would go up there all the time. Hey, can we ride your horses? Can we ride your horses? We ponied around on them. That was a ton of years ago. Since then, my life has been, on and off, riding horses. Sometimes I would ride them a lot. Sometimes work got in the way and so I may not ride for six months. About four years ago, I just decided that this was going to be my hobby. I got into it more seriously, bought my horse, and it’s been great ever since then.

John: That’s really cool. Just curious, when life gets in the way, work gets in the way, that six months when you’re not riding; are you different than when you are able to ride?

Chip: Yeah, it’s interesting because there are times — and we work in a stressful business. You have client demands, and you want to get things right. You want to do a good job. We take great pride in our work. Sometimes that stress will get to you. For me, it’s important to have an outlet. The outlet is, when you get on a horse that’s 1100 pounds that has their own idea about how things should go, if you’re not focused on everything between the two ears of that horse, you’re probably going to find yourself in the dirt looking up with the horse looking over you. So, it really helps to center me, at least for me, really helps to center me, especially when I get a little bit spun up about stuff.

John: I totally agree, and especially something like that, how you described it, where you’re 100% engaged when you’re riding and when you’re out there doing that, versus, at work, it’s easy. Sometimes it wanders, sometimes not, whatever, but it’s such a release and an escape. It’s really crucial for people to have that, especially after the 2020 that we all had, to really have something that’s outside of work to have that release.

Chip: Well, it’s interesting. I encourage people at our firm, I encourage friends to have some release. I love how you said it, John. If it’s not riding horses, if it’s yoga, if it’s running, some people, whatever it is, do something outside of your work life to make you a rich, full person, and have that release. Because when I get off my horse, if I’ve had a tough day at work and sometimes because of work, I ride late at night. When I get off that horse and put her up and put the saddle up and come home; then I find that I’m more focused on whatever work issues that I had before I went to the barn. It’s a pretty cool thing.

John: That’s so fantastic. Yeah, because the stereotype is more work. What are you doing with free time? Why aren’t you doing more work? It’s just encouraging to hear that it’s, no, no, step away from the work because then when you come back, you’re actually more focused. It’s not just a make-believe theory thing. It’s true. You’ve experienced it.

Chip: That’s a big part of our culture is, I have people that work hard, I call it work hard, play hard, but work hard and then also get away. We love people doing stuff outside of work. We love people having a life outside of work because it just makes them better at work, makes them better for our clients, and ultimately, makes them happier people.

John: I completely agree. I wrote a book on it. No, totally, that’s, yeah.

Chip: Yeah, I shouldn’t be lecturing you about it because you get it.

John: No, it’s everybody listening, though, because they could hear from me, but who is this guy? You’re a partner at a huge firm in Texas, so it’s like, this is legit. It’s not case study bubble world. It’s for real. So, no, I appreciate it because it’s just encouraging to hear that it’s real, and it makes a difference. Do you feel like any of your cowboy experience translates to the office at all?

Chip: I do. It’s interesting. The work — and I’ve been fortunate, as I said, to have friends who are real working cowboys who have let me tag along and work cows with them and be polite when I did something wrong.

John: Right.

Chip: I need you to get over to that gate. I need you to get over that gate right now. Actually, I need you to be over at that gate three seconds ago. Then we drink a beer afterwards and we talk about it. I tell them how thoughtful and thankful I am about the experience. Can I get an invite back? They usually say no. What it teaches you about riding a horse and about working in agriculture, at least for me, is that, you know what? Everyone’s trying hard. Everyone’s trying to do the best they can. Really, just be a little bit patient.

What these folks have done for me is allowed me to make mistakes and said, it’s okay to make mistakes. One thing that I’ve tried to take back in my professional life is telling people and telling myself, it’s okay to make honest mistakes. Don’t make a bunch of them, don’t make the same mistake over and over, but it’s okay to make honest mistakes because that’s how we learn. That’s how we grow.

John: I love that. It’s so great because, especially in the accounting profession, like engineers and law and these professions where you have degrees on top of degrees and certifications and all that, we build ourselves up to be like we’re supposed to be perfect. We’re just not. We’re human. You’re not making mistakes on purpose, but sometimes it’s going to happen. It’s just having some grace there and that forgiveness. So it’s cool to see that you’ve experienced the back end of that, on the ranch, and when you feel that forgiveness, it’s like, wow, that’s really powerful. Then you’re able to bring that to the office. That’s super cool. I feel like if I had started under you, I might still accidentally be in accounting.

Chip: Accidentally?

John: Right? Well, I don’t know. Maybe. It was a mutually agreed upon decision between me and the profession, but it is cool. Clearly, this is something that you talk about at work. I know that some people, it’s hard for them to know how to bring that up, or how do they discuss this. Can you just talk through a little bit of that, of how did it — did it come up? Or is it just normal? I’m just talking about what I did over the weekend or whatever.

Chip: Yeah. I write a blog. A shameless plug, I write a blog about the western way of life.

John: Yeah, what’s the website for that?

Chip: It’s cowboyaccountant.com.

John: Exactly. There we go. Everybody listening, go to that. Yeah.

Chip: So, some people at work started to read it and would ask me about it and see articles. I share the articles to my professional LinkedIn page. It was really cool to see the people that would come up to me and say, “Hey, I read your blog article.” I would say, “That’s great. Remind me of your name again.” Just to hear them talk about what they got out of it, makes you, boy, I tell you what, made me feel so good. A lot of those folks are at work.

I don’t talk about it a lot at work, but on Fridays, I may come in, in jeans and boots. If I was fortunate enough to win a buckle, doing something, I may wear that buckle and get a couple of questions about it. A lot of times what I’ll do is, in talking with my partners, we talk about horsemanship and training horses. Training horses, in my mind, is really not training the horse. It’s really training the human. We talk about the crossover between horsemanship and humanship.

John: Yeah. Wow, that’s super powerful.

Chip: We just got really deep there, didn’t we?

John: Yeah, we did. I love it, man. That’s so great. You can’t also just drop winning a buckle out of nowhere, so we’ve got to back up a little bit. What’s that all about, and what have you won a buckle for?

Chip: Oh, well, I use my horse for just general cow horse work. She’s a ranch horse. That’s her bloodline, but we also do cow horse work. There are cow horse competitions where you try to keep a cow at one end, try to get the cow where you want it to go.

John: Okay.

Chip: I do ranch patterns with her. We basically ride around in a pattern that the AQHA says, okay, you’ve got to go do this. Do a circle. Do a spin. So, had a little bit of success there.

John: That’s cool, man. That’s super fun. Yeah, because my wife and I watched Yellowstone, the show. I don’t know if you’ve seen it.

Chip: Great show.

John: Oh, it is good. Okay, I thought it was going to be one of those where it’s like, that’s not even close. No, but it’s really cool. The young kid wins the full riding contest on accident, literally on accident. It’s a great show, though. That’s a really cool show.

Chip: It’s interesting because everything that happens in rodeo comes off of the working ranch, right? If you’ve got to go rope a steer, that was usually to rope the steer so that you could doctor him or so that you can move him into a different pen. If you’re going to ride a bucking horse, it’s because you needed — back in the day, they broke horses by basically breaking their will by riding them until they quit bucking. The only event in rodeo that, in my way of thinking and in my research, doesn’t come off of the working ranch is riding a bull.

John: Right.

Chip: Right. Some cowboy, at one point, said, “Hey, y’all hold my beer. Watch this.”

John: Exactly. It’s like, that guy’s crazy, and then like, I’ll do it. I’ll do it longer. No, that’s fine.

Chip: I don’t worry about the first guy that ever rode a bull. I worry about the second guy.

John: That’s a great question. It’s the same thing I say about the tax person is like — no, no, I’m just kidding.

Chip: No, that’s exactly right. Just kidding, not kidding.

John: Right. Exactly, exactly. That’s super cool to hear, how much the outside of work impacts the at work, not just from you talking to partners about the horsemanship and humanship type stuff, but also getting to know other people that read your blog and say, “Hey, that was really cool. This is what I got out of it.” Now you know people on a first name basis and have some connections. It also humanizes you, which I think is very powerful because when you’re a partner, there’s a lot of people that are intimidated by that title.

Chip: Yeah, it’s true, and I’ve always — I’m probably one of the people that I believe has the least comfort with pretenses. I’m just not a pretentious guy, but when you’re a partner in a firm, and you come in a suit and a tie, and you come into a meeting; people just naturally get concerned about that. So I always try to find a way to, if I can, to let them know, it’s going to be okay. Nobody’s going to have anything bad happen here today. We’re actually going to get along. As long as we serve our clients and keep ourselves happy and do the right things, then we’re going to be fine.

John: There are some learning moments and some teaching moments, but we’re all good. We’re all good.

Chip: Yeah.

John: That’s super awesome. How much is it on the organization to create that safe space for people to share their hobbies and passions? Or how much is it on the individual to just kind of start the circle themselves from the bottom, if you will?

Chip: Yeah, it’s interesting, great question, because I believe every relationship is mutually beneficial but also mutually vulnerable. That’s the relationship that we have with our spouses. It’s the relationship we have with our employers. The benefit is that there’s a place to work, that there’s a means to make an income for your family, and to make a life, but there’s also a vulnerability. Sometimes I think we need to make sure that we keep that relationship between benefit and vulnerability in check. It’s okay to be vulnerable at work, especially if you’re anywhere in the organization. It’s okay to be vulnerable.

I wish in corporate America, that we would talk about it more. We talk about the people. Maybe through the pandemic and maybe with working from home, we’ve learned a lot about each other. I think that we’ve gotten a lot closer because we’re all collectively in this thing. So, I’m hopeful and positive and optimistic for the future that we get even further than we are right now.

John: I agree. We’ve all been in each other’s homes on these video calls with coworkers that, before, you would put on your best front or whatever, the facade of how my life is all together. I’m super professional person. Then when we’re working from home and doing these video calls, and the dog’s barking because there’s a delivery, the kids can get into their home school, all things are crazy; it’s like, we’re human. I think that the Band-Aid was ripped off, and what’s your “and” became even more prevalent. I agree, I hope it stays, and we pick it up and run it even further.

Chip: Yeah, we’ve really — I mean, I think in our firm, we try to do a lot of stuff with our teams. Technology has made that very helpful and easy to do. When we get together as a group, it’s amazing that we still crave the personal interaction with each other. I like how you said it. We’re all wearing T-shirts, and cats are running across the back of the screen. It gives us an opportunity to ask each other, hey, what’s your cat’s name? What’s your T-shirt? Where did you get it? Tell me the story behind it. That’s pretty cool. That’s one of the blessings about this pretty rugged thing that’s happened to all of us.

John: Yeah, totally. Yeah, that’s really the good thing that’s come out of it. I agree totally. Do you have any words of encouragement to anybody listening who has a hobby outside of work that they feel like, no one’s going to care because it has nothing to do with my job?

Chip: We talked about it before. I believe everyone would benefit from having a hobby or hobbies. I believe everyone would benefit by putting 100% of their effort into whatever that is, and it really, in my way of thinking, doesn’t matter what it is. It can be, you can think, boy, this is the goofiest hobby, and nobody’s going to want to hear about it. You know what? You’re doing it for yourself, and you’re doing it to make you a better person. So, I’d encourage everybody, just do it.

I come to work most days in a suit and a tie or a sports coat, and I go home. Whenever I get home, I change into boots and a dirty shirt and a jacket that I probably wore the day before, and a hat that is, well, my wife wishes I would get rid of it, but it’s my favorite hat, so I can’t. It’s just nice to have the two sides of an individual. I’d encourage everybody, it’s okay to have your two sides. It’s okay to have your your hobby life and your work life. Actually what both of them do, and this is why I’m so appreciative of what you’re doing, John, what both of them do is make you better at the other thing.

John: Nice. Yeah, I agree totally. That’s what’s been really cool about the research of interviewing so many people is, at first, it started out as, well, these people have a hobby. Then it became, wow, all of these hobbies impact their careers. At the very least, it humanizes you to other people around you but in a little bit of vulnerability, but a lot of times, there are technical skills and a way of thinking and a ruggedness or an inner fortitude that comes from these different things. You look through a different lens, or you have a creative side of you, and both sides make both sides better. I appreciate you saying that. That’s so awesome to hear.

Chip: I think people, when you’re dealing with a hobby, and you run into a roadblock, and you care about it; you find a way around the issue. You find a way through it because it’s just you and your hobby. It’s just you and yoga. It’s just you and running. If you want to run a marathon and you’re getting tired, you’re going to figure out a way to keep training to be able to run that marathon. Then when we get to work, we get a problem, and we sometimes seize up. There’s a great lesson there in, well, what did you do to conquer that problem that you had in your hobby, and translate that same behavior into conquering the problem at work.

John: Yeah, and there’s a confidence to be found there as well.

Chip: Yeah, 100% agree.

John: That’s so awesome to hear, man, so awesome to hear. Well, before I wrap this up, though, it’s only fair that I turn the tables and allow you to question me. We’ll make this the first episode of the Chip Schweiger podcast or the Cowboy Accountant podcast, whatever. I would never be a guest on that one, so let me get the Chip Schweiger podcast.

Chip: I happen to have a few questions, so we’ll get to them right now. Let me do speed round, if that’s okay with you.

John: Totally. Totally.

Chip: So, turnabout is fair play. Favorite color.

John: Blue.

Chip: Why?

John: It’s just always been blue. I don’t know why. It’s always been blue, and it’s never red. It’s always been blue.

Chip: Cool, cool. Favorite holiday movie.

John: Oh, wow, that’s a good one. Holiday movie. Yeah, probably — I mean Home Alone is so good, and it’s so funny. It’s great because my nephews are six and eight, and they are cracking up at all the juvenile humor that I am also still cracking up at. It’s great.

Chip: Love it. Movie’s 30 years old, somebody told me.

John: Oh, totally. It’s insane. Yeah, Macaulay Culkin is way old now. I feel like my middle nephew is, once he saw that movie, it unlocked a new dimension of his brain that is not good. Holy Molly, yeah, it’s all the booby traps and the shenanigans and all this. Yeah, it’s pretty awesome to see because I’m not his dad, so it’s all good.

Chip: I love it. Exactly. Yeah, you can wind him up and then just kind of walk away and enjoy the show.

John: I’m cool Uncle John.

Chip: You are cool Uncle john.

John: There you go, and then turn it back.

Chip: Okay, one last question then. At home by the fire or on a beach.

John: Oh, wow, that’s a tough one. I guess I’ll say on a beach because that means that I’m on vacation. There’s that. Although I am a bit of a homebody and at home by a fire is also good, but 51-49 on a beach, I guess.

Chip: Okay.

John: Just because it feels special, and it’s not an everyday thing. It’s something where I’ve got to — I’m not in Texas, on the coast. I have to get on an airplane for that, so that’s cool. Well, thank you so much, Chip, for being a part of What’s Your “And”? I just love having you on and so really appreciate you taking time to do this.

Chip: This was the most fun, John. I really appreciate you having me on. I had a blast.

John: Cool. Well, thanks, man. Everybody listening, if you want to see some pictures of Chip, I’m telling you they’re legit, or connect with him on social media, his Instagram account is awesome, be sure to go to whatsyourand.com. All the links are there, as well to his blog, cowboyaccountant.com. While you’re on the page, please click that big button, do the anonymous research survey about corporate culture, and don’t forget to get the book.

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