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K.C. Eames [00:00:05]:
Hi. This is K.C. Eames. And when I’m not balling out on the beach volleyball court, I’m listening to John Garrett on What’s Your “And”?

John Garrett [00:00:16]:
Welcome to episode six sixty three of What’s Your “And”?. This is John Garrett, and each Wednesday, I interview a professional who, just like me, is known for a hobby or a passion or an interest outside of work. And put it another way, it’s encouraging people to find their and. Those things above and beyond your technical skills are things that actually differentiate you when you’re at work. It’s the answer to the question of who else are you beyond the job title. And if you like what the show’s about, be sure to check out the award-winning book. It’s on Amazon, Indigo, Barnes and Noble bookshop, a few other websites. All the links are at www.WhatsYourAnd.com.

John Garrett [00:00:50]:
The book goes more in-depth with the research behind why these outside-of-work passions are so crucial to your corporate culture. And I can’t say how much it means that everyone’s reading it and writing such nice reviews on Amazon. Thank you so much for those. And more importantly changing the cultures where they work because of it. And if you want me to read it to you, that’s right this voice reading the book. Look for What’s Your “And”? on Audible or wherever you get your audiobooks. And please don’t forget to hit subscribe to the podcast. You don’t miss any of the future episodes.

John Garrett [00:01:16]:
I love sharing such interesting stories each and every week. And this week is no different with my guest K.C. Eames. She’s a director of client accounting services at Dark Horse CPAs, and now she’s with me here today. K.C., thanks so much for taking time to be with me on What’s Your “And”?.

K.C. Eames [00:01:32]:
Hi. Thanks for having me. I’m excited for this.

John Garrett [00:01:34]:
Now, this is gonna be awesome. We were able to meet at, Bridging the Gap Conference, I guess, a year and a half ago, two years ago. So I’m, yeah, just excited to have you be a part of this. I have some rapid-fire questions, get to know K.C. out of the gate here. Maybe ask you an easy one. Do you have a favorite color?

K.C. Eames [00:01:51]:
So black, white, and gray. I like those. But I’m having a little bit of a personal renaissance, and I’m trying to, like, wear new colors, and it’s been a lot of fun. So

John Garrett [00:02:01]:
Okay. Alright. Yeah. Don’t overdo it, though. You know? Like, get just a little bit at a time. How about a least favorite color?

K.C. Eames [00:02:07]:
Barbie pink. I hate it. You’ll never see me in it.

John Garrett [00:02:11]:
Okay. There you go. Fair. Probably same for me. So we’re in the same boat on that one. How about you have a favorite band or a musician?

K.C. Eames [00:02:18]:
That’s really hard for me just because music is so situational and mood-oriented that I right now, I’m really into country, but I listen to really everything.

John Garrett [00:02:27]:
Yeah. Okay. Fair. How about a favorite actor or an actress?

K.C. Eames [00:02:31]:
I really like Christian Bale. I’ve always liked Christian Bale, Edward Norton. And then I love Jason Momoa. He’s my celebrity crush, and I ran into him in Montana a couple months ago.

John Garrett [00:02:42]:
Holy cow. That’s pretty cool.

K.C. Eames [00:02:44]:
Yeah.

John Garrett [00:02:44]:
Is he gigantic?

K.C. Eames [00:02:46]:
He’s a big dude.

John Garrett [00:02:47]:
Yeah. He’s a big dude. Yeah. Yeah. Just huge. Alright. Very cool. That’s awesome.

John Garrett [00:02:52]:
How about, toilet paper roll? You go over or under?

K.C. Eames [00:02:55]:
So I don’t have a preference on this, but I believe the right way is over.

John Garrett [00:02:59]:
Okay. Alright. No. No. I mean, it’s, hey. Whatever you wanna do. Some people are really into it. How about when it comes to books? You got an audiobook, ebook, or a real book?

K.C. Eames [00:03:08]:
Real books for sure.

John Garrett [00:03:09]:
Yeah. I’m the same. There’s something about it. I don’t know if it’s as efficient, but it just feels like how I learned how to read, I guess.

K.C. Eames [00:03:16]:
You feel the sense of progress when you flip from page to page, and you can look back at where you are.

John Garrett [00:03:21]:
That’s very true. Totally. How about puzzles? Sudoku, crossword, jigsaw puzzle?

K.C. Eames [00:03:26]:
I kinda have a knack for puzzles. Like, I tend to be good with all kinds of, you know, number puzzles, math games, stuff like that, but I don’t do them that often because I’d rather be outside.

John Garrett [00:03:36]:
Yeah. No. That totally works. And, I mean, your job kind of is the same then. You know, like, you’re doing it for a long time during the day, so why more? How about Star Wars or Star Trek?

K.C. Eames [00:03:45]:
Yeah. That is not my world. So I love dystopian sci fi, but more in the realm of, like, Hunger Games and Divergent, but not the outer space.

John Garrett [00:03:56]:
Those cow. How about your computer, more PC or Mac?

K.C. Eames [00:03:59]:
Was Mac in college, and I have an iPhone. But once you go to PC, I feel so incompetent when I try to help my parents on their Mac now. I can’t work them, so I’m on PC now.

John Garrett [00:04:10]:
No. There you go. How about cats or dogs?

K.C. Eames [00:04:12]:
I was a dog person my whole life, had the most wonderful childhood dog, but I’ve recently become part owner in a cat, and now I’m a cat person too. So I really do love them both.

John Garrett [00:04:22]:
Okay. Both. Okay. Just in case they’re listening. We love all of you. How about a favorite day of the week?

K.C. Eames [00:04:27]:
I have all my days are good days. I really like them all for different reasons, so I don’t think I can pick a favorite day.

John Garrett [00:04:34]:
Yeah. Just in case they’re listening, we don’t wanna make them all angry. I’m just kidding. How about the ice cream? You go in a cup or in a cone?

K.C. Eames [00:04:41]:
Cup because it keeps it clean, but I do like some texture, and I love waffle cones. So if I can get some breakings from the waffle cone or, like, a waffle cone on tops, like, an upside down, that’s perfect.

John Garrett [00:04:51]:
No. Totally. If you can sweet talk them into that, that’s where it’s at right there. How about a early bird or night owl?

K.C. Eames [00:04:56]:
Early bird. I’m most focused in the morning first thing, and then it kinda peters off as the day goes on.

John Garrett [00:05:02]:
Yeah. After lunch, I’m pretty worthless, which is probably why I didn’t go long in corporate since you have the CPA background, balance sheet, or income statement?

K.C. Eames [00:05:11]:
Income statement makes more sense to me, naturally.

John Garrett [00:05:14]:
Yeah. Yeah. Because it’s like, where are we at? What are we doing? Are we making money here? How about do you have a favorite number?

K.C. Eames [00:05:19]:
10. That was my number in all of my sports growing up. I like even numbers. So my birthday, like, my month, day, and year are all even numbers. I feel a little unsettled when it’s, like, 2023 or 2025. I prefer the even years.

John Garrett [00:05:33]:
Well, I’ve got a whole year to get through it. Alright. Here we go. We got we got two more. What’s a typical breakfast?

K.C. Eames [00:05:38]:
I don’t eat breakfast. So I have coffee with heavy cream every morning.

John Garrett [00:05:43]:
Okay. Alright. There you go. And the last one, the favorite thing you have or the favorite thing you own?

K.C. Eames [00:05:48]:
So I have this galaxy light projector for my ceiling, and I turn that on every night. And it has a timer, and you can play with the different settings and colors. And you got red, green, blue, stars, and it brings a disproportionate amount of joy for how much it costs.

John Garrett [00:06:04]:
Right? I’ve seen those things. Is it, like, a real thing, or is it just random dots?

K.C. Eames [00:06:09]:
Yes. Random colors.

John Garrett [00:06:11]:
That’s awesome. Why not. Right? I mean, it’s one of those things where it’s like, oh, no. That’s for seven year olds. No. It’s not. It’s for everybody. And I have adult money, so I’m getting one.

John Garrett [00:06:21]:
There you go. The fact I don’t have one in all my rooms, you should be thankful for. Like, you know, that’s that’d be that’s super cool, though. Why not? Right? That’s awesome. Okay. So let’s talk beach volleyball, and how did that get started? Was it something you played when you were younger? Or

K.C. Eames [00:06:37]:
Yeah. Actually, I picked it up a little bit later in life, but it does go way back to my roots because I was raised in a very adventurous and fun household where we tried all different kinds of activities and sports and adventures. My parents signed us up for all different kinds of activities growing up so we could try different things and see what we liked. I found indoor volleyball at maybe 10 years old. So middle school, sixth grade, all my friends were playing, so I signed up for the school team. I was taller than my friends at that age, and I kinda had a knack for it. So joined the school team, started playing club volleyball. It basically became a year round activity for me from ages 10 to 18.

K.C. Eames [00:07:19]:
I played the school team. I was on varsity all four years. And then club team, we traveled all over the country competing in tournaments and we ultimately got to the Junior Olympics and we were ranked fifth in the country at one point. So it was my whole life. It was very intense.

John Garrett [00:07:34]:
Wow. That’s awesome. That’s so great.

K.C. Eames [00:07:37]:
It kind of destroyed my knees and it burned me out. It was all I’d ever known my entire adolescent life. So I discovered beach volleyball about seven years ago now, eight years ago. So I’d taken I’d really retired from indoor volleyball and just just started messing around on the beach court. You take a few steps back because the footwork is different, the strategy is different, you’re playing with two people instead of six people. Everything about the game is actually very different from indoor. So took a few steps back, but eventually fell in love with it. I got completely addicted, and it’s pretty much all I do now.

John Garrett [00:08:15]:
That’s fantastic. Is so is it better on your knees in the sand?

K.C. Eames [00:08:18]:
It is. It’s a lot more forgiving. So you can play longer without my knee exploding. Like, there would be some indoor tournaments I’d play, and I couldn’t walk upstairs for a couple days after. My body hurt so bad. Oh my goodness. Volleyball, there’s that soft you know, it’s hard because you have to push off of sand to get anywhere, but it’s actually very forgiving on your body.

John Garrett [00:08:39]:
That’s awesome. That’s so great. But I mean, like, junior Olympics, like, that’s some intense pressure. I mean, that’s not like, oh, we are, you know, playing at the high school gym. It’s like, no. No. People are watching. That’s awesome.

John Garrett [00:08:50]:
And, like, really high level talent and, I mean, everything. Like, you gotta be focused. I mean, do you have some of those matches that you’ve had in your life and maybe on the beach or maybe, you know, growing up that are more memorable or ones where you’re like, wow. That was that was a really unbelievable experience.

K.C. Eames [00:09:06]:
Yeah. It’s interesting to think about my career because I’ve been playing for twenty five years now, and who I am as a player has changed so much. Like, you are very much ahead case when you’re 15 years old and play. You make a mistake and the mistakes just compound and you just start going downhill quickly. But at this age, you have a different maturity in how you play. And so probably one of the highlights of the best tournament ever played was the dinosaur tournament in Kauai two years ago. So it’s called the dinosaur tournament because it’s a doubles tournament, a beach tournament, and you have to be 75 years old as a team.

John Garrett [00:09:42]:
Oh, okay. Okay.

K.C. Eames [00:09:44]:
So the combined age of the players can be any combination you can think of that add up to at least 75. That’s the women’s degree. So I played with one of my partners who was my partner was 42 years old, so we were basically just the bare minimum to get in. We’re the youngest team, and it was just the highlight of my career. It was so much fun. It was just a really cool cultural environment because everybody’s playing in Kauai on the beach, and it’s older people. It’s people who’ve been playing for, like, twenty, thirty, forty years. Some of these women are 50 years old, and that was just such a different vibe.

K.C. Eames [00:10:17]:
I had a lot of fun.

John Garrett [00:10:18]:
Yeah. And, I mean, why not go to Kauai? You know, like, that’s not so bad either. Does any of this volleyball experience translate to work, do you feel?

K.C. Eames [00:10:28]:
Yeah. I think there are a lot of parallels between athletic competition and professional growth. I mean, if you’ve pursued excellence in one area of your life, you’re probably not gonna be satisfied with mediocrity in other areas of your life. And you learn that progress is not linear. Like, not every day is gonna be a good day. When I go out and play, I’m not leaving on a high all the time because sometimes I feel like I played horribly. And ups and downs on a daily basis, but overall, if you stick with it, if you keep showing up, you will get better. And that’s something that I’ve learned too in in work that not every day is a good day.

K.C. Eames [00:11:04]:
Some days are really challenging and they’re a struggle, and I feel like, what am I doing? Do I know what I’m doing? And then over time, you are. You’re learning. You’re developing. You’re growing. And that’s what’s important.

John Garrett [00:11:14]:
No. That’s so great. And, you know, it’s yeah. Just showing up and being present and trying. Yeah. And it sounds like you the way you grew up, your parents signing you up for all these different kinds of activities, you learn to fail on accident. I mean, just because you’re not gonna be good at all these things, but let’s try them and let’s see. And then one sticks and then junior Olympics.

John Garrett [00:11:34]:
You’re on a rocket ship. You know? But there’s I’m sure there’s other sports where it’s like, ah, I’m not so good at this. But okay. Cool. You don’t have to keep doing it, but you gave it a shot.

K.C. Eames [00:11:42]:
I think that’s a big part of playing sports too that translates to work is you really get used to failure, like you mentioned, as just a part of it. Like, volleyball is just a game of mistakes. Everybody’s making mistakes. Every single point is because of someone’s mistake. But you overcome it and you get better and you try to minimize those mistakes. So growing up in the way I did and competing, you get used to the fact that failure is going to happen, but you show up again the next day and you minimize those failures every day.

John Garrett [00:12:08]:
But one thing you brought up earlier that I wanna circle back on was just how so much volleyball all the time year round, I mean, you got burned out on it. Like, you almost didn’t like volleyball anymore. This thing that brought you so much joy and is a part of inside you, like, in your soul, It burned out, you know, type of a thing. And I feel like that’s a huge parallel to work. So many people are so consumed in their job and their job title and that’s my identity that they don’t realize how much it’s suffocating them. Do you feel like you see that as well? Is there a parallel there?

K.C. Eames [00:12:41]:
Yeah. Absolutely. I was 17 or 18 years old, and I remember looking up, like, what is life besides volleyball? What what do people do if you don’t have practice in every day and tournaments on the weekends? And that was the first time that I kinda followed that curiosity of what if I didn’t play club this year? And it kinda rocked the community because it’s like we were so good. Why would you step away from it? You should play in college. I couldn’t imagine playing four more years the way I had been playing. It was just all consuming, and it took away the love that I had for it. And so to really take time off between then and finding beach volleyball years later, I got to play for myself now, and and it was just such a different feeling. It was so much more freeing and fulfilling, and I get to tackle it the way I wanna tackle it.

John Garrett [00:13:26]:
That’s so great. Yeah. And I love that experimental thought of, well, what if I don’t you know, what if my whole identity isn’t my job title? You know, type of a thing. Or what if, you know, there’s something else out there? And do you feel like that period between, you know, graduating college and working in the CPA world and then before Veach volleyball showed up in your life, do you feel like that was a different view than now?

K.C. Eames [00:13:51]:
Yeah. When I reflect on who I am now versus who I was at 21, 20 two years old when I first got into PricewaterhouseCoopers is where I started.

John Garrett [00:14:00]:
Oh, yeah. Me too. There you go.

K.C. Eames [00:14:02]:
Yeah. I was in audit in Silicon Valley, and I remember so you’re still trying to figure out who you are, what you wanna do, and I remember not wanting to share what I did outside of work. It was very compartmentalized. You show up at work, and then you don’t really talk when people say, what did you do that weekend? I didn’t really explain exactly what I did. I don’t know what that is about wanting to stay guarded and not share who you are, But it wasn’t until probably much later in my career where you then have this confidence of, oh, I can be who I wanna be. It also might have been the environment and the firms that I was at that allowed me to show a little bit more of who I was and to be more comfortable. And it really enhanced all of my relationships too at work. When you start to get to know what other people like to do and you share what you like to do, there’s the connections there are so much more real.

John Garrett [00:14:54]:
Yeah. I love that so much. And it is something where it’s in our heads. I really do think so. And, yeah, it helps if that behavior’s maybe modeled when you’re at big four and you’re just trying to figure out how to reconcile cash and not look like an idiot, you know, like type of thing, or what industry do I wanna work on, or what manager do I wanna work with, and then all those things. And so being a human or showing people at work that you’re a human with other dimensions to your life is not high on the list of priorities, sadly. But then when you made that shift, like you said, magic happens. Like all of a sudden, like the people around us are awesome.

John Garrett [00:15:31]:
And I enjoy the people I work with and work gets better in the end. So it’s cool to hear that you experienced that. How much do you feel like it is on the organization to lead by example? Or how much is it on an individual to just also participate if that’s available or to just start it amongst their peers?

K.C. Eames [00:15:52]:
I do think it’s both, but I think it should be led by the tone at the top and the leadership. So that’s I’m on the leadership team now at Dark Horse, and that’s why I like to share what I like to do because I think that it breaks down those the hierarchy and roles that exist in the workplace. And it shows that we’re all just humans having this human experience, and we have things that we like to do outside of work, and it kinda levels the playing field. And so I like to talk about that because I think that it does invite a more open environment for others to share what they like to do. And then you can relate on a human to human level, not on a associate to senior level or senior to principal level.

John Garrett [00:16:33]:
No. I love that. And plus two, sometimes the alpha is the associate, the one that’s the better one at the thing. Yeah. You know? And so then it’s a cool flip of the script to be like, no. You teach me this time. You know, we’re outside of work. Like, this is where, you know, we’re just all, like I love that.

John Garrett [00:16:48]:
We’re humans having a, you know, having this human experience. We’re trying to get through this.

K.C. Eames [00:16:52]:
I have one experience that I remember from my last company when I was in the kitchen during a break, and one of the partners came up to me. He knew that I played volleyball, and he said, hey. My daughter is just starting, and she’s really trying to serve the ball over the net overhand, and she hasn’t been able to do it yet. Do you have any suggestions for her? You know, I was a senior at the time, and having a partner kind of bring himself down to this level of, you know something that I don’t know. Can you help me? And it just made me feel so warmly towards him, and the connection there just felt special. And it did show me that these roles that we have built up in our mind, these arbitrary boundaries of, well, he’s a partner and I’m not, I’m below him, it just kinda dissipated in that moment. And so that was something I still remember from, like, eight or nine years ago. And so it’s kinda something that as I move into leadership roles myself to try to create that space for others.

John Garrett [00:17:45]:
Well, and it also shows that he valued you as KC, not as senior associate KC, but as you as all complete human KC. And, you know, he knows that about you and he’s asking about it, then you feel like, wow, he knows me. Not he doesn’t know me, my job title, but on a deeper level. And then not in a creepy, like, you know, hanging out in your front yard kinda way, but like just like, hey, I value you as a human. You know? That’s so awesome. And something that random, he may or may not remember that, but you do. And, you know, eight or nine years later, like, how powerful that is. Such a simple little thing that matters.

John Garrett [00:18:23]:
And it’s so cool to hear that now that you’re in that leadership role, you saw that, you felt that more importantly, and so you’re making sure that the people around you feel it too, which is awesome. And does Dark Horse do anything in particular to help with that, or is that just something that you’re leading the way on? But I I have to believe that there’s others. I mean, we’ve had Chase on the show as well. But is there something that the firm does to help with that specifically?

K.C. Eames [00:18:46]:
I think we have a really open culture where we try to talk about the things that we like doing, and it’s not, taboo to bring up anything that you do outside of work. It’s something that we like to talk about. We have a chat room that everybody in the whole firm is a part of. People post pictures of things they do outside of work. We have a we call it the rodeo, but I think it’s a Microsoft Yammer communities or something like that. And we have a few different special communities that you can join. You can create your own where you can talk about the things that you like doing outside of work.

John Garrett [00:19:15]:
Yeah. That’s and then you find others that also I mean, I’m sure that there’s other volleyball players that are in the mix that, you whether or not you play together at all or when maybe when you get together, but you can talk about it at least or something like that. That’s so cool. That’s awesome. Well, do you have any words of encouragement to people listening that feel like, well, I have an and, but I feel like no one cares or it doesn’t matter to my job?

K.C. Eames [00:19:38]:
Well, I love this podcast because I’ve always been fascinated with the wide variety of things that people like to do. I absolutely love that. That’s always brought a lot of joy to me to find out when someone has a unique random skill or talent that I know nothing about. That’s fascinating to me. And there’s always a culture or a a totally different world around every hobby and skill. And the intricacies are just you wouldn’t know them as an outsider unless you were really experienced in that. And so that’s something I love learning about, and I imagine other people do too. So I don’t really know why people do hide or guard the things that they like doing because it really shows more of who you are as a human, and I like working with, you know, real humans and finding what they love

John Garrett [00:20:23]:
about it. Yeah. I mean, AI AI is, you know, around, but there’s still humans on the other side of this, you know, in the end, and, you know, it’s that human to human connection. But you’re so right. I mean, I don’t know why our default mode is, you know, to be guarded and reserved. I think it’s because we feel vulnerable and we feel like then we’re open and people are gonna judge this where my college degrees and my technical skills, that’s very sound and you can’t attack that, you know. So that’s my suit of armor that I put on every morning when I go to work and or do work and then take off at 5PM or whatever. But it’s amazing when you when you have people that don’t put the suit of armor on and work together.

John Garrett [00:21:06]:
Magic happens and you’ve been able to feel that. Because, I mean, you experienced that as well, where it was, like, not your default mode to share also. And was it something that you consciously decided not to, or it just never came up? So, meh, whatever.

K.C. Eames [00:21:22]:
I think it’s a gradual thing that maybe happens as you develop more confidence in yourself and in your career. You realize you can expose other areas of you and nobody thinks less of you for those things.

John Garrett [00:21:35]:
That’s exactly I mean, it’s the the confidence in self, which we don’t always really have, you know, unless we’ve done the ten thousand hours or the, you know, whatever it is. I’m confident in my accounting skills or my work skills because I’ve got this degree and I got this certification and I whatever. I did this training and it’s like but the other things well, I mean, I’m not a, you know, world class Olympian, so, you know, people are gonna judge me for and it’s like, no. No one’s judging you. Like, they’re too busy judging themselves to have any extra judgment for you. You know, like it’s and that’s the thing is I think we’re all just judging ourselves honestly and then blaming other people. But we’re doing it to ourselves. Like you know? And so I appreciate the kind words on the show because it is awesome.

John Garrett [00:22:20]:
There’s all kinds. You know it’s not like oh all the engineers are ballroom dancers. It’s like, no, they’re all kinds. You know, and it’s all kinds of things. And that’s so awesome. Well, I appreciate you being a part of this. I feel like it’s only fair since I peppered you with questions at the beginning that we turn this around, make it the K. C.

John Garrett [00:22:38]:
Eames podcast. So thanks for having me on, and, yeah, I’m all yours. Whatever you wanna ask.

K.C. Eames [00:22:44]:
Okay. I’ve got a few rapid fire ones for you.

John Garrett [00:22:47]:
Okay.

K.C. Eames [00:22:47]:
What’s been your favorite age?

John Garrett [00:22:50]:
I mean, like, part of me wants to say now because I’ve got all of the experience and the skills and, you know, but then, like, there’s also, like, I don’t know, like, that, like, six or seven where you’re, like, can ride the bike and, like, go away from home and, like, freedom. Like, the first experience of, like, freedom. Or you feel it anyway?

K.C. Eames [00:23:11]:
Yeah.

John Garrett [00:23:11]:
That’s always a it was a cool age too because you start to see how the world works and all that. But now I I don’t know. I both isn’t an answer, so I don’t know. I’ll say now just because, I could still experience that freedom. So there you go. Take that mom and dad. Yeah.

K.C. Eames [00:23:28]:
I think easier keeps getting better.

John Garrett [00:23:31]:
No. It really does. And different perspective, different lenses that you start to look at the world through and you begin to understand, like, how distorted the past may or may not have been and try to revisit some of those experiences to be like, oh, yeah. Maybe it was different. For sure. That’s a good question though.

K.C. Eames [00:23:49]:
Okay. Do you think civilization as we know it will be better off or worse off in a hundred years?

John Garrett [00:23:56]:
Oh, wow. That is a dangerous question. Before I did stand up full time, I used to think that the glass was half full and, like, people are but then I started doing comedy, and I saw, like, what people laughed at in just the general public, and I was like, we’re a mess. Like, I can’t believe that we’ve made it this far. Like, I really can’t believe that humanity has survived. So I guess it’ll be better because in spite of ourselves, we’re still here as a human race. So I think better, but I do think that we have to be more intentional, and I do feel like there is an awakening of sorts that’s happening globally and that people are starting to move away from this, you know, you win, I win kind of game theory to we all win kind of a thing, and we’re all humans that are doing work, And there’s a lot more people now pulling the wagon in the same direction with what’s your end, and so I feel like there there is that that awakening that’s happening. And leaders like you that are passing it down sooner to younger people in the workforce, So now they’ll become more evolved as they go on, and they don’t have to wait ten years in their career like you and I did to share that we’re humans, you know, type of a thing.

John Garrett [00:25:09]:
So I guess I’ll say, I think better off, but we do have to be careful with not letting it go off the rails for sure.

K.C. Eames [00:25:16]:
So what is an area of your life that you love so much that you can always justify spending money?

John Garrett [00:25:22]:
College football, Notre Dame all day, every day. Like, I mean, I don’t even know what tickets cost because I just go. And, you know, like, I don’t even look. I I don’t even think about it. It’s just there you go. Take all of my money and all of my emotions and all of my hairline because it’s all going every year that although this past year, it was pretty good. But college football, Notre Dame football, especially, all day every day, for sure.

K.C. Eames [00:25:44]:
Okay. Last question.

John Garrett [00:25:45]:
Alright. Here we go.

K.C. Eames [00:25:46]:
What is something you’re really bad at or a job you know you’d be horrible at?

John Garrett [00:25:52]:
Singing. I cannot sing for anything. I don’t know. I mean, supposedly, you can learn, but I’m not sure. I mean, it’s even like when you go to church, like, the old ladies turn around. They’re like, God still loves you. You can just lip-sync it. It’s cool.

John Garrett [00:26:04]:
Like, you can milli vanilli. It’s fine. I’m just not good at that. So anything that involves singing, even in a group, nah. Like, it’s just karaoke or yeah. Just not good at that.

K.C. Eames [00:26:15]:
I’m the same. Performing arts is just not really my area in general.

John Garrett [00:26:19]:
Yeah. Okay. Alright. There you go. Although I would argue you’re probably performing arts every day at work, but, you know, like, that’s just a different kind of art. That’s awesome. Very cool. Well, this has been so much fun, K.C..

John Garrett [00:26:31]:
Thank you so much for being a part of What’s Your “And”?.

K.C. Eames [00:26:33]:
Yeah. Thank you so much for having me. It was fun chatting with you.

John Garrett [00:26:40]:
It’s so great. And everybody listening, if you wanna see some pictures of K.C. on the sand volleyball courts or connect with her on social media, be sure to go to www.WhatsYourAnd.com. All the links are there. And while you’re on the page, please click that big button, do the anonymous research survey about corporate culture, and don’t forget to check out the book. So, thanks again for subscribing on Apple Podcasts or whatever app you use and for sharing this with your friends so they get the message that we’re all trying to spread, that who you are is so much more than what you do.