Welcome to Episode 567 of What’s Your “And”? This is John Garrett. And each Wednesday, I interview a professional, who just like me, is known for a hobby, or a passion, or an interest outside of work.

To put it another way, it’s encouraging people to find their “and”, those things above and beyond your technical skills, the things that actually differentiate you when you’re at work. It’s the answer to the question of, who else are you besides the job title?

And if you like what the show is about, be sure to check out the award-winning book. It’s on Amazon, Indigo, Barnes & Noble, Bookshop, a few other websites. All the links are at whatsyourand.com. The book goes more in-depth with the research behind why these outside work passions are so crucial to your corporate culture.

And I can’t say how much it means that everyone is reading it and writing such nice reviews on Amazon and more importantly, changing the cultures where they work because of it.

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And this week is no different with my guest, Jade Glab. She’s an associate at Strategy& and now, she’s with me here today.

Jade, thanks so much for taking time to be with me on What’s Your “And”?.

Jade: Thanks for having me, John, looking forward to being here and chatting about some fun hobbies.

John: Yeah. Yeah. This is going to be a blast. This is going to be so much fun. But, I have rapid-fire questions, get to know Jade out of the gate here. So, here we go. Let’s see where it goes.

Do you have a favorite color?

Jade: Pink.

John: Pink. Solid answer. All right, there you go.

Jade: Pink or red, you know, you can mix the two.

John: Okay. All right. They do go together.

How about a least favorite color?

Jade: This is a really tough one. I can’t say this is a rapid-fire because I really like all the colors of the rainbow. I would say black because it’s not super energetic, but at the same time, a nice little black dress, that’s how to go.

John: Yeah. It goes with everything, like black is solid. That’s, yeah, no, absolutely, absolutely.
All right, fair enough.

More heels or flats?

Jade: Heels, absolutely. I walked in 6-inch heels on stage and you’re going to understand why pretty quickly.

John: Holy cow! Okay. All right. All right.

How about do you have a favorite actor or an actress?

Jade: Ah, I actually don’t. I don’t watch a ton of movies. I feel like because I do so much with this hobby, I don’t necessarily have the time to. Maybe the Bachelor, Zach Shallcross, love it.

John: Okay. Okay. All right.

Jade: We consider him an actor or an actress, we don’t know how real that show is.

John: No, I feel like reality TV is a lot more acting than people want to know about.

How about a favorite season? Summer, winter, spring, or fall?

Jade: Oh, summer. First of all, I’m a Leo, summer is my birthday. I live at the Jersey shore and in Arlington, Virginia. I’m kind of double timing it Hannah Montana. And because I live so close to the beach, I just love to go swimming in the ocean. It’s a little cold though.

John: Yeah, right, summer is best time for that for sure.

How about when it comes to puzzle, Sudoku, crossword, jigsaw puzzle, Wordle maybe I guess is a big one?
Jade: Sudoku, absolutely.

John: There you go.

How about a toilet paper roll and this is an important one, over or under?

Jade: First, I thought you’re going to say brand, I was going to say Cottonelle because of the cute puppy.

John: Fair enough. Fair enough. And that should be the question actually.

Jade: Definitely over. People who put it under, I’m so sorry, but can’t be a roommate, no.

John: Right. Yeah. Yeah. I’m going to switch it around and then, we’re just going to go back and forth or brand, that’s hilarious. Maybe I should make that a question going forward, that will be really funny, because there are people that are very, very, very specific on that because Cottonelle there’s all the kinds of Cottonelle.

So, it’s like the purple one, the blue one, like 18-ply, it’s like I don’t know. But, you got to love yourself, right? You got to love yourself.

Oh, this is a good one, Star Wars or Star Trek?

Jade: Oh, God, none, none.

John: None. None of the above. I’m like, looking at the stars, I like to do that, but that’s about it on that one.

Jade: Yeah. Maybe the faults in our stars, that’s the only thing I watch with the word, stars, in the movie title.

John: Okay. Okay. Fair.

Your computer, more of a PC or a Mac?

Jade: Oh, Mac for sure.

John: Mac. Okay. All right.

Do you have a favorite TV show of all time whether from when you were a kid or now?

Jade: Bachelor.

John: Oh, back to the Bachelor again. Okay. All right.
Jade: I mean, the Bachelor, Bachelorette, Bachelor in Paradise. It’s evolved from Sponge Bob over the years, which I would consider to be a pretty sharp crossover.

John: Absolutely. Do you have a favorite animal? Any animal at all?

Jade: My dog. I told my mom that she needed to take the dog out of the house while we’re filming this podcast, so we don’t have ra ra ra ra ra in the background.

John: Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I know. That’s funny.

How about ice cream? I’m a huge ice cream junkie. In a cup or in a cone?

Jade: You’re really testing me. I’d say cup because I don’t like spilling on my outfit and probably more than 50% of the time, I don’t have a Tide stick since I switched out my purses. So, it’s kind of luck of the draw whether that piece of clothing would fade

John: Fair. That’s a solid answer.

Well, I think I know this one, prefer more hot or cold?

Jade: Hot, absolutely.

John: Yeah, absolutely. I knew that one.

Jade: Even the themes of the color wheel, I like warm tone colors. My skin is warm tone. I love the colors, red and hot pink and orange, yellow, and I love the summer. How could I like the cold? If I was in the movie as Gray Elsa is a queen, but at the same time, hot.

John: Totally fair.

Favorite number, any number?

Jade: This is an interesting one. Okay. So, I’m going to say there’s two numbers, either 6 or 14 because 14 was my number in the Miss New Jersey competition when I was crowned Miss New Jersey 2019 and 6 is the number that I was called into the finals. So, when they have the top ten, I was called sixth.

John: Very cool. All right. That’s a good reason as ever.

How about when it comes to books, audio version, ebook, or real book?

Jade: Audio for sure. Like I said, I barely have time for TV, so if you think I have time read a book when I have to be very focused and I can’t even use my hand for anything else, the audiobook is great because when I’m getting my nails done.

I always say this, for the women who are listening to this podcast, I would like to just drop my hands off at the nail salon and pick them up a few hours. So, at the very least, an audiobook is going to entertain me when I’m driving back and forth to DC. It’s three and a half-hour drive, you can only listen to so many music, so I love my audiobooks.

John: Right. Fair. Okay, two more, two more.

What was your first concert?

Jade: First concert? Actually, a concert that my church community put on. So, for those of you who are here at the Monmouth County area, I live in Belmar, Ocean Grove is church community and they had an entire concert at The Great Auditorium. It’s a historical building, it’s ginormous. Honestly, it could be a great concert venue. And they had a Christian sort of pop rock band come in and that was my first concert at 9 years old.

John: Nice. Okay. And the last one, the favorite thing you have or the favorite thing you own?

Jade: My Miss New Jersey crown, absolutely. How can I forget it? It’s something that I work so hard for, I earned, and I’m very proud of that achievement. And it’s still a big part of my life today.

John: Totally. It’s super awesome, super awesome. So, which leads perfectly into like let’s talk about it, like how did you get started down that path or what made you want to go down that path?

Jade: To be completely honest, I watched a lot of Toddlers & Tiaras. Long story short, I went to Puerto Rico on a family vacation when I was 13. It rained the whole week, so I had to figure out something to do and the channels were kind of limited, Toddlers & Tiaras was there and I’ve binged the whole season.

But, at the same time I was really, really excited about the hair, the makeup, the glitz. And so, I did my research, I learned that there was an organization out there called Miss America’s Outstanding Teen. And they’re scholarship organization that promotes scholastic achievement and community service, in addition to, you know, the glitz and the glamour amongst America’s teens. And so, I decided to enter.

It’s a competition that has multiple faces of competition. It’s actually the little sister to the Miss America Organization, which I ended up being a big part of as I kind of grew older in a way. But, it has a talent competition. I’m an opera singer, I’ve had classical training for nearly a decade. It has evening gown, fitness, answer and question, and social impact pitch.
John: Okay.

Jade: They’ve changed them over the years, so I always forget what it was.

John: Fair. I mean, that’s a lot of things. Absolutely. So, that was kind of your first, you’re like, why not? Let’s just sign up and see what happens.

Jade: Well, actually, you know what? It wasn’t so much a why not as let’s make sure I can get my mom and dad on board because remember, I’m 14 and I don’t have money for evening gowns and all of these stuff.

So, I, of course, I go to my mom first. I knew that it’s a lot easier to get an answer out of my dad than it is to get an answer out of my mom. So, I figured I’d asked my mom first, so that way if she says no, I can go answer shopping, that’s plan B, go to dad.

Jade: And that’s exactly what I did. My mom gave it a hard no and my dad said, “You know, sure. It’s a scholarship program, it’s going to teach you so much about yourself.” My mom wanted to just – she looked like she wanted to punch the man for saying yes.

John: Right.

Jade: But, to this day, he holds it over her head and says, “Patty, we’re just so glad, now, we can say we’re the parents of Miss New Jersey 2019 for the rest of our lives.”

John: Yes, which is awesome, I mean, that’s so cool. So then from there, you just kept going I guess and just…?

Jade: Yeah. So, I competed in Miss America’s Outstanding Teen. I did the state competition once, I did Miss New Jersey’s Outstanding Teen in 2016. I didn’t place. I have to say I was the worst interviewer of all time back in the day.

And, I took some time off to go graduate high school. Sometimes the state pageant week overlaps with high school graduation and I absolutely did not want to miss that.

But, I got back involved when I was 18. Placed in the top 10 my first year at Miss New Jersey, which is the older division of the competition and sort of the main one that has all the history in Atlantic City.

And then, at 19 years old, I came back and said, “We’re going to win this thing. We’re just going to bounce to the wall, go for it. There is nothing stopping me.” And I won, I’m like Miss America.
John: That’s so great because I mean, it is literally like you trained for years to have a couple of days to decide, you know, if you make it or not. Really impressive.

Jade: Thank you.

John: I mean, the amount of work that goes into that like I can’t even fathom, but I know that it’s so much more than what anyone can possibly wrap their brain around. You know, I mean, it’s like professional athlete level of stuff.

Jade: Yeah. And, you know, you mentioned something about the couple of days deciding your whole life, but the reality is what you put into it is what you get out of it. This is a 365-day per year endeavor.

When I was competing at Miss New Jersey, I was practicing my talent for probably two hours a day, making sure every motion was just immaculate. This was a piece of art that was just continue contributing, go, go, go. Practice the walk, you have to be healthy, you have to get all of your beauty treatments done, the spray tans, the nails, the hair, nails, hair, heels, I don’t know if cutting…

John: Right.

Jade: Probably not.

John: Well done. Well done.

Jade: But, even now, I’m still competing. Now, I’m former Miss New Jersey America, made top 15 at Miss America and I was so young. I was 20 years old when I wrapped that entire endeavor up and I said, why am I going to give up my hobby especially mid way through college. I want to have something that makes me live, something that gives me something to live for and that’s pageantry for me.

I got involved in the Miss Universe Organization. So, they have Miss USA and they have Miss New Jersey USA, so I’ll be competing for that. I’m currently Miss Central Jersey USA 2023 and in just about a month, we’ll see if I am able to beat only the third woman in history to hold both titles.

John: Oh, wow! Okay. Very cool. But, I love that how it’s like you said like, you know, the thing that makes you feel alive and sure works great and you’re good at work and you like the people you work with, but what makes you feel alive is often something else. And it’s great that you’re able to say that out loud, you know, because some people hide it.

Jade: Absolutely. And I got to say, I went to Georgetown University, just graduated this past May, having a career is something to live for. When I told people that I had my offer letter in hand, they were just high-fiving me, congratulations, that’s so cool. It was the coolest thing to live for especially when I did take a tiny break from pageant. But, it just gives you that extra, all right, I’ve got something to do on the weekends, not I’m just going to go roll into bed on the weekends because I’m tired. You have energy constantly flowing throughout you and I think that’s so important.

John: Yeah. And I feel like they go hand-in-hand, like one feeds the other, you know, like – like that energy and that passion that you have from pageants and training and all that stuff, that gives you the energy to carry through the week as well, which is fantastic.

And do you feel like any of these translate to a skill set that you use at work?

Jade: Absolutely. Now, Miss USA, they are an organization that’s not only glamour focused, I know a lot of people only see what’s on stage. They see the evening gown, the swimsuit, and sometimes the flabby on stage question…

John: Right.

Jade: If you have ever seen Miss South Carolina, it’s hilarious.

John: Absolutely hilarious.

Jade: It was a Pictionary and a washing machine. So, if you ever hear this, the person that I’m talking about, I’m so sorry, but, you know, I know you’re a great speaker, it was just nervous at that point. Everyone…

John: Totally. I can’t even imagine the level of nerves and the pressure and everything in that one moment.

Jade: Absolutely. But, people perceive it that way. A lot of people don’t understand that this is a 365-day a year endeavor and we have real initiatives that are going on in the background. For me, a couple of months ago, I got involved with an organization called, America Needs You. They’re nonprofit that helps first generation non-traditional students get into the careers of their dreams.

And, me, being a former community college student myself before transferring to Georgetown and ultimately landing upon the career that I did, I didn’t necessarily have the guidance at one point to figure out what is it really that I want to do.

And so now, working with first generation students, being half Chinese being able to see Chinese-American immigrants coming to America trying to find a better life and trying to put their career together, being able to be a mentor for them and helping them with their resumes, cover letters, interviews has been such special experience.

That’s the person that I am and that’s the kind of person that I would bring to the Miss New Jersey USA stage or Miss New Jersey USA stage, Miss USA, and hopefully Miss Universe if I’m to be a part of this organization. That’s what they don’t see in terms of Miss New Jersey USA and the relevance to your job.

As Jade Glab, as Miss Central Jersey USA, I’m able to provide career assistance and mentorship to young people that need it and I think that’s what the program is all about, leveraging your unique skill set to help others.

John: Yeah. And I love that. And that’s exactly a skill that translates to work because at some point, you are a senior associate or a manager, you know, or more and you’re leading teams, you’re leading people and it’s giving them guidance and you’re doing that now and like those interpersonal skills, the essential skills I like to call them matter. And like you’re perfecting that outside of work, which is great. It’s so fantastic to hear.

And interesting point that you brought up of just, you know, like these are human beings, you know, these pageant contestants, you know, even Miss South Carolina, that’s a human. That’s a real person that has things going on in their life, like they’ve got other things in their life.

And, you know, the same with you and the same with everybody at work, you know. And so, it’s really cool to just be like, yo, yo, I know what you see on TV or whatever you think you see.

Jade: So much more.

John: Yeah. It’s like three percent of who I am as a person.

Jade: Absolutely. That’s a great point that you bring up because I’ve been asked this question so many times as a pageant contestant, “What do you like about being a woman?” And, I always say I like how multi-faceted I am. I like that I can be in a male-dominated career field, having mentors along the way, being part of an endeavor where women before me have had to move folders, I have to move rocks, so that my daughters can move pebbles.

I’m also an opera singer. I sing in four different languages – English, Italian, German, and French. I also love studio fitness and I’m a former Miss New Jersey and there’s just so many different things, there’s so many components to who we are as people that pageants only make up a tiny, tiny percentage of it in the grand scheme of things, we are so much more as human beings.

And I think that’s something that can definitely be sort of brought to the career world in that you’re not just your job, you’re so much more than that.

John: I love that so much. That’s exactly it. If only there was somebody that wrote a book – oh, wait, hold on, I can tell you.

John: No, no, not at all. I was teasing.

But, you’re right, I mean, it’s exactly it and unfortunately, our default mode isn’t to show these other dimensions of who we are. Our default mode is technical skills and that’s all of who I am. And it’s like, no, no, no, like – but the sad thing is is I’ve talked to people that are later on in their career and they forget the other parts of themselves because they’ve identified only as the technical skills and their job title for so long that their other sides of them have gone dormant or extinct, like they forget and it’s like, holy crap, that’s scary.

Jade: I’m not quite there yet, so we’ll see where I am…

John: No, no.

Jade: In a couple of years…

John: No, no, you’re not even close.

Jade: But, the way I see myself in ten years, I hope to be able to compete in a Mrs. Pageant. They actually not only have pageants for Miss contestants, which is the 18 through 28. I’m 23, so I have a little bit of time left in the Miss Universe Organization. Actually, half of my time if you really do the math there.

But, they have pageants for Mrs. Senior America, Mrs. Mature America, which I’ll be doing when I’m a granny. I promise, I promise that.

John: But, that’s great because it’s like you said earlier, it’s what makes you feel alive and to ask you to stop doing that is like, I mean, that’s a crime against everyone. You know, it’s like this is what I love to do, but also all the parts that are part of it, the singing and, you know, the fitness side of it and like all those things that you also have to be passionate about. Like, you can’t just want to be in pageants and then not want to do all the other things. I mean, you’re not going to do well.

So, but it’s so cool because it’s almost exactly the parallel of what people think they see what the “stereotype” is. And people can’t be more wrong, it’s like, what? You’re totally wrong. And whatever you think it’s supposed to be a successful, you know, strategist or a successful engineer or attorney or accountant, like all those are wrong, that you could be successful in a variety of ways.

How much do you feel like it’s on an organization to create the space for people to share their “and” or how much is it on the individual to just like maybe share amongst the little circle of peers?

Jade: I’m going to say that if you want something, I’m big in the manifestation by the way. If you want something, you need to put that energy out into the universe. And if that means being competent and expressing what it is you need to achieve the goals that you want to achieve, it’s on you.

I think that company should create the space, but at the same time, you need to raise your hand and speak up and say, “This is what I’m going to do and I’m proud of it.” And if it doesn’t work out, then it wasn’t meant to be. You need to pursue what you want in your life and have that balance, because if you’re not having a career with balance, what are you doing?

John: Right. Yeah. I mean, it’s a waste of time.

Jade: Unless you really love your career. I mean, some people really do. I actually have a friend who’s an entrepreneur and she owns a jewelry brand that is literally the thing about her. That’s her work, that’s her love. And I know a lot of people in consulting end up doing startups like that. So, it’s really interesting to think about.

John: Yeah. There’s a small percentage of people where their “and” is more work, absolutely. But, there’s a bigger percentage of people where there’s other things and both are okay, both are totally okay.

Jade: It’s all about what you want in here.

John: Yeah, in your heart.

Jade: Everyone is so different. For me, my “and” is pageantry and I love it so much, it’s a huge part of my life. But for some people, what their “and” could be is just pursuing what they are most passionate about. And if that’s extra work, then that’s extra work.

John: Totally. And both are okay. It’s just for some reason the stereotype is if it’s not work, then you’re not allowed to say it. And it’s like, no, no, there’s more of us out here believe it or not than you would think.

And so, we got connected because someone who had been on the podcast saw you singing at a PwC webinar or something, like what’s that all about that PwC is doing now?

Jade: Yeah, absolutely. So, PwC has a couple of firm-wide webcasts throughout the year. And this one was a holiday theme, it was basically the year-end holiday webcast. And I saw in an email that they were looking for performers. Me, having been a former Miss New Jersey and an opera singer by training, I decided to submit an old video of myself singing, O mio babbino caro by Giacomo Puccini.

And thought, well, like this is not going to work, there are so many people at this firm. There’s no way I’m going to get picked. But, I got an email saying, “Do you want to come to New York and sing in front of basically the entire company and meet Tim Ryan?” And I said, “Absolutely. I’m 23. I can’t believe that I’m going to be able to shake the CEO’s hand. That is so cool.”

I get to New York and realized why my passions and my “and” has paid off over the years. My “and” has been over the years opera singing, it’s been fitness, it’s been pageantry, but the opera singing really came into play here because I got to share one of my most beloved “ands” with the entirety of PwC. Tim Ryan even told me it was good. I couldn’t believe it, it was so incredible.

And it was actually so nice to get to meet him too because I realized he has a great “and”. If you can get him on the podcast, you should. He’s a marathon runner. He was getting his makeup done and I’m asking him, “So, what do you like to do for fun?” He goes, “I’m running a marathon with my daughter.”

John: Nice!

Jade: That’s so cool.

John: And it humanizes him. You know, he’s not CEO, it’s like, no, no, he’s just a guy that runs marathons with his daughter. All right, cool.

Jade: If he could be the CEO and have an “and”, I think anyone can.

John: Yeah. No, but I love that how now, you know, sure, there’s – I mean, an army of associates that started the same time you did, but people recognize you now. It’s like, “Hey, are you the one that –?” “Yup. That’s me.” That’s a differentiator. You know, it’s not, “Hey, are you the one that got a 4.0?” It’s like no one gives a crap about that, like it’s more of the human side of you that makes you different than the rest of everyone else.

And so, it’s so fantastic that you were like, I want to show people this and be a part of it, so good for you. Yeah, that’s great.

Jade: I’ll be honest. My Apple watch was telling me right before I was getting on stage that my heart rate was 110. I was very nervous that I was going to mess up. But, I didn’t end up messing up. If you guys want to watch it, if any PwC-ers are on the podcast, just go to the webcast portal, there’s a recording of it and enjoy. It’s Believe in the Polar Express, it’s Christmas time.

John: Oh, nice! That’s so great. Yeah. And also too to be able just to meet the CEO, like how many other – I used to work at PwC, I mean, I met plenty of partners, but not the CEO, like are you serious, you know? But, yeah, that’s fantastic. It’s so great.

Well, this has been a blast, but I feel like before we wrap up, it’s only fair that I turn the tables because I so rudely peppered you with questions at the beginning. So, I will be the pageant contestant now I guess on the Jade Glab Podcast and I will answer the questions and try not to be Miss South Carolina while doing it.

Jade: All right. Are these kind of like fast and fire questions?

John: However, it’s your show, Jade, so I’m just the guest. However you want to do it.

Jade: All right. What’s your favorite Pokémon?

John: Oh, man. I don’t know any of them. The basic, is it Picachu, is that one of them?

Jade: There you go!

John: Yes, there we go. That’s like the Mickey Mouse of them all, right?

Jade: Yes, it basically is the Mickey Mouse of them all.

John: I probably need to brush up on that a little bit more, but that’s kind of the only one I know.

Jade: I would really like a first gen Charizard, probably pay my entire mortgage when I have one.

Jade: Quick yes or no. Have you ever done a Pilates class?

John: No. I would be open to it, but hopefully I don’t get stuck.

Jade: All right. If you had to pick between wearing a pair of high heels in public all day long, having a manicure and having to wait until it falls off, can’t remove it on your own, getting hair extensions, or getting a spray tan, which would you pick?

John: I’ll probably choose spray tan out of those simply because although all of those things, I feel like you’ve had to do many times, but I don’t think hair extensions on me is going to go well.

Jade: You’d be surprised. My stylist can work wonders.

John: And the manicure like, I mean, I guess I can go clear, that’s fine because when it’s growing out, then it’s like, ugh, like, oh, my gosh. Yeah, that’s brutal.

Jade: It’s got to be OPI, The Thrill of Brazil bright red.

John: Oh, oh, yeah, then we’ll go spray tan and then, I’ll let you choose how dark and ridiculous I need to look.

Jade: What is your Starbucks order?

John: Oh, yeah. I’m a hot chocolate guy. So, I don’t even drink coffee. It’s funny because when I’ll do like business meet-ups or business meetings and people like, “Oh, let’s get coffee.” And I’ll reply back, “Sure, coffee/hot chocolate.” And then, when we meet up, I get a hot chocolate whipped cream everything, like load it up. And then, I sit down and the other person always says, “Oh, I should have got a hot chocolate.” I’m like, “Yeah, you should have.” Like, what the hell? Like there’s – I mean, why you think it’s childish? No, it’s amazing.

Not that their hot chocolate is amazing, but if I’m at Starbucks, yeah, hot chocolate.

Jade: All right. You may not know the answer to this, let’s see how well you know your Miss America trivia. Who’s your favorite Miss America?

John: I don’t know.

Jade: All right, Pictionary and a washing machine, ah.

John: Yeah. My favorite Miss New Jersey is someone named Jade Glab. I’m not sure you heard of her.

Jade: Thank you.

John: I’m more of a Miss New Jersey kind of connoisseur. I don’t really – no, I – I don’t know any other Miss New Jerseys either, so don’t ask me that one either.

Jade: All right. Let’s do one more question. What’s your favorite opera?

John: Oh, my favorite opera?

Jade: And then, I’m going to follow this by what’s your favorite kind of wine.

John: Okay. So, favorite kind of wine, I can do that one easy. So, probably like Vermentino is a white wine that I enjoy that’s pretty good and not super common, but that’s a good one. Reds, I’m kind of a Pinot noir.

Jade: Yes! Pinot noir is my favorite.

John: And, you know, embarrassingly enough like don’t know a ton of operas. Yeah, I need to get out more. I mean, ballets I’ve been to several, but not…

Jade: Okay. Give me your favorite ballet.

John: You know, probably like a classic like The Nutcracker is a fun one, because I mean, there’s a lot going on. It’s festive, there’s the holidays as a kid, you know, I remember seeing it as well. So, yeah, I need to get out more.

Jade: Come to New York, there’s a ton of things going on at Lincoln Center.

John: Right. I just stay in my seat. I mean, here for the show tomorrow night, don’t worry.

Jade: Maybe they won’t charge you for another ticket. I know the accountant in you.

John: Right. Well-played! Well-played. I like it. You should do comedy as your talent next time for the show. And, I don’t know, has anyone ever done that? That would be pretty amazing.

Jade: I feel like it’s so tough nowadays because everything is very PC and a lot of the comedies I’ve seen – I’m a big Ally Wong and Sebastian Maniscalco fan. Sebastian is not so bad. He did a whole skit on chipotle, where they’re like steak, beans, chicken, the employees running to the end of the line out of this woo woo.

John: Yeah. I knew Ally when she was in New York.

Jade: Really? You knew her?

John: Yeah. I mean, it’s fun to see like Bargatze and Ryan Hamilton, guys that I used to see around the city all the time, you know, pop now, which is really exciting. So, it’s exciting for them.

Jade: Can I get an autograph?

John: It’s either that or The Bachelor, I don’t know which one, so we’ll have to see.

Jade: Much rather from Ally Wong.

John: Oh, wow! Okay. All right. There you go. Ally Wong on The Bachelorette, that’s what we need to see happen.

Jade: She’s married.
John: Yeah. But, she would just chew guys out and spit them out, it would be hilarious.

Jade: Oh, be like the guests. Oh, okay.

John: Like just roast the guys not left and right, just.

Jade: Got it.

John: That will be a show. But, thank you so much, Jade, for being a part of What’s Your “And”? And congrats in all your success and look forward to following you as this goes forward.

Jade: Thank you so much for having me.

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