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Kristie Ondracek [00:00:05]:
Hi. This is Kristie on Drauchek. And when I’m not making cards or scrapbooking, I’m listening to John Garrett on what’s your Anne.

John Garrett [00:00:16]:
Welcome to episode six sixty seven of What’s Your And? This is John Garrett. And each Wednesday, I interview a professional who, just like me, is known for a hobby or a passion or an interest outside of work. And to put it another way, it’s encouraging people to find their and. Those things above and beyond your technical skills, the things that actually differentiate you when you’re at work. It’s the answer to the question of who else are you beyond the job title. And if you like what the show is about, be sure to check out the award winning book. It’s on Amazon, Indigo, Barnes and Noble bookshop, a few other websites. All the links are at what’syourand.com.

John Garrett [00:00:51]:
The book goes more in-depth with the research behind why these outside of work passions are so crucial to your corporate culture. And I can’t say how much it means that everyone’s reading it and writing such great reviews on Amazon. Thank you so much for those. And more importantly, changing the cultures where they work because of it. If you want me to read it to you, that’s right. This voice reading the book, look for What’s Your Hand on Audible or wherever you get your audiobooks. And please don’t forget to subscribe to the podcast. You won’t miss any of the future episodes.

John Garrett [00:01:18]:
I love sharing some interesting stories each and every week. And this week is no different with my guest, Kristie Andradecak. She’s a CFO and COO at TXCPA Houston. And now she’s with me here today. Kristie, thanks so much for taking time to be with me on What’s Your End.

Kristie Ondracek [00:01:33]:
Well, thank you, John, for the invite. I’m so glad we are getting to do this after so many years.

John Garrett [00:01:39]:
Absolutely. We’ve been friends for a long time and finally get to hit record and let people hear what we talk about. So here we go. I got some rapid fire questions, things I’ve never asked you before. So let’s have some fun here. Do you have a favorite color?

Kristie Ondracek [00:01:51]:
Navy blue.

John Garrett [00:01:52]:
Navy blue. Okay. I figured that’s hard as a crafter and a very visual person. But how about a least favorite color?

Kristie Ondracek [00:01:58]:
Yellow.

John Garrett [00:01:59]:
Yellow. Interesting. Okay. Alright. How about a favorite band or musician?

Kristie Ondracek [00:02:03]:
George Strait.

John Garrett [00:02:05]:
Oh, okay. There you go. Yeah. I like it. There you go. How about when it comes to books? Audio version, ebook, or a real book?

Kristie Ondracek [00:02:12]:
All of them.

John Garrett [00:02:13]:
All of them. There you go.

Kristie Ondracek [00:02:15]:
I actually have books happening in real format and on Audible for the trek into work when I have to come into the office and then the ebook.

John Garrett [00:02:25]:
That’s it. That’s awesome. Yeah. It’s so great. Alright. How about a favorite actor or actress?

Kristie Ondracek [00:02:30]:
You know, this is a hard one because I’ve listened to your episodes. I’m like, I am really bad at actors and actresses, but I actually thought about this. And I’m like, John Wayne always comes to mind and Clint Eastwood because I got to watch it with my dad growing up, and I think it’s just the memories around them.

John Garrett [00:02:50]:
Yeah. That’s very cool. I like that answer. Very good. How about toilet paper roll over or under?

Kristie Ondracek [00:02:55]:
Over. Over. There is no like, this under thing, I like a lot of your guess. I’m like, I agree. It’s over. You can switch it, people. It’s okay.

John Garrett [00:03:05]:
Right. Right? Yeah. You didn’t have to think about that one. That one, you knew the answer. That’s for sure. How about Star Wars or Star Trek?

Kristie Ondracek [00:03:12]:
Neither. Just because it’s something I never got into.

John Garrett [00:03:15]:
Fair. No. Totally fair. How about more your PC or Mac, your computer?

Kristie Ondracek [00:03:20]:
PC.

John Garrett [00:03:21]:
PC. Yeah. I’m the same. How about a favorite day of the week?

Kristie Ondracek [00:03:25]:
That’s a hard one. Each day has its own attributes. Monday is a fresh start. Wednesday is your midway through the week. Friday, of course, is party time. And Saturday and Sunday are rest time or for me, creative times. So each one has its own little attributes.

John Garrett [00:03:43]:
Okay. Just know Tuesdays and Thursdays. Forget about

Kristie Ondracek [00:03:45]:
dogs too. Tuesdays and Thursday Thursdays.

John Garrett [00:03:52]:
All of the days. All of the days. Why does it say that? None of them are offended. There we go. That’s perfect. How about cats or dogs?

Kristie Ondracek [00:04:00]:
Dogs. So even though you don’t get to see the video, everyone, I have two dog pictures behind me. Those are my two rescue dogs.

John Garrett [00:04:08]:
That’s awesome. No. I love it. How about diamonds or pearls? Diamonds.

Kristie Ondracek [00:04:14]:
Okay. Because I feel like pearls take more maintenance than diamonds because they’re softer sewn.

John Garrett [00:04:19]:
Makes sense. How about ice cream? You go in a cup or in a cone.

Kristie Ondracek [00:04:22]:
The cone. Even though it’s messy, the cone. I like the cone.

John Garrett [00:04:26]:
Yeah. But it’s that extra sugar. Extra. Yeah. There you go. Since you have the CPA background, balance sheet, or income statement.

Kristie Ondracek [00:04:32]:
I’m gonna take it off the grid on this one. Cash flow.

John Garrett [00:04:36]:
Oh, cash flow. Holy crap. I don’t even know how to do that one. That’s amazing.

Kristie Ondracek [00:04:40]:
Well, when you look at the cash flow, that tells you honestly the goods or bad story. The balance sheet is a point in time. Income statement, you know, is looking backwards, but the cash flow tells you where the king went.

John Garrett [00:04:55]:
Right.

Kristie Ondracek [00:04:56]:
You know, we taught cash is king. Well, where’d the king go? Did king go into investments? Did it go into r and d? Or did it go into operating?

John Garrett [00:05:05]:
Yeah. I like it. Okay. How about a favorite number? 13. Any number. Yeah. Is there a reason?

Kristie Ondracek [00:05:09]:
13. Yeah. My birthday’s on the thirteenth. And so if it’s Friday the thirteenth, I’m usually trying to take it off just to celebrate. It’s not because it’s bad. It’s just to celebrate.

John Garrett [00:05:19]:
Embrace it. Yeah. Yeah. What’s a typical breakfast?

Kristie Ondracek [00:05:23]:
Oh, it depends on the day. A lot of times it’s just gonna be leftovers just because I don’t wanna be bothered with having to fix even a bowl of cereal.

John Garrett [00:05:30]:
Sure. Unless it’s Tuesday, then you’re having tacos. And then it’s and Thursdays, whoo. Don’t even get me started.

Kristie Ondracek [00:05:38]:
That’s that’s Thursday Thursday is that smoothie.

John Garrett [00:05:42]:
Oh, okay. Alright. Alright. Alright. Alright. Alright. And the last one, the favorite thing you have or the favorite thing you own?

Kristie Ondracek [00:05:47]:
I think the favorite thing I have is the two rescue dogs because they do bring me so much joy, and it’s just it’s lovely to get home at night, and they’re excited to see you. I would love to say that they don’t talk back, but I do have one that does talk back. So

John Garrett [00:06:03]:
Oh, that’s amazing. Even last night,

Kristie Ondracek [00:06:05]:
I actually recorded her and put her on TikTok because I’m like, other people need to hear this little one that’s loves to talk back.

John Garrett [00:06:13]:
That’s so funny. I love it. That’s so great. So let’s talk paper crafting, card making, and how’d you get started with this?

Kristie Ondracek [00:06:21]:
So I didn’t know it was a thing back in high school, and this is given my age. I graduated in mid nineteen nineties, but I was actually scrapbooking way back then when you would take the picture, you would put them into those photo albums that have a whole bunch of acid. Well, I took it to a different level, and I would cut out pieces of paper and journal who it was and what was happening. And then I was fortunate enough to have a sister-in-law who got into stamping and making cards, which just really blew my mind of all the things you could do. So so I’ve been doing this for many years, more than I can count, really.

John Garrett [00:07:02]:
Yeah. Yeah. I mean, as long as I’ve known you, that’s for sure.

Kristie Ondracek [00:07:04]:
Yeah. And so I just upscaled my skills, I guess, and really took some classes and enjoyed bringing something to someone else, the joy that someone gets with a handmade card, because it does take time, it does take attention to detail to make something that is custom. And that has just kept me going scrapbooks, while we’re all in a digital phase right now, to actually open up a scrapbook and look back at the memories and touch the pictures and remember the people who may not be with us anymore has just really made me happy that I take the time to do that and document it that way.

John Garrett [00:07:45]:
That’s so powerful. It is not just, you know, the off the shelf, you know, quick thing that society has kind of gone to. It’s actually that that heartfelt, that thing that takes a little bit longer. It costs a little bit more, and it’s a little bit more intricate and a little more detailed, but then it it just means more. And it’s something that you keep and you maybe even display, you know, type of a thing, and you actually look at. You know, like, on on our phone, we have a gazillion pictures, and we hardly ever go back and look at any of them. But when you put them in a beautiful book like, you know, the scrapbooks or, you know, the cards that people then put on their shelf and display out, then it’s like, okay. Then it’s worth it.

John Garrett [00:08:26]:
And I love that. Do you have any projects that you’ve done that have been some of your favorites that come to mind?

Kristie Ondracek [00:08:32]:
I think the one that I really go back and look at is my trip to Europe. So even before I went to Europe, I had all the pages done, and all I had to do is come back and put the pictures on. And so it was really nice to have that done because let’s just say, I’m a little bit behind on my scrapbooking, but that was nice to come back. So the other ones is it’s more of a core memory of making cards with my mom. Before she passed away, she had moved to Texas and, like, on Saturday afternoons, we would get together and we make cards together. And I still have some that she made. You know, special people get those. So it’ll be on the back.

Kristie Ondracek [00:09:13]:
This is made by my mom who passed in 2017, and it’s just those memories of seeing that and remembering that. But my projects, each time I make one, I just, like, surprise myself. I’m like, oh, look at what I did.

John Garrett [00:09:28]:
Well, then you’re also you I mean, you’re creating something from nothing. I mean, literally just an idea or a thought or something that came through you that then came through your fingertips into this visual representation of that is really powerful when you think about it.

Kristie Ondracek [00:09:45]:
I use Pinterest for, like, an idea board, but it’s always funny to see what Pinterest what the idea started out, what I came up with because they never look the same because you have to put you on creative twist on it just like in life. We’re each our own human being. We have to be ourselves and be authentic. So I get to do that through cards. And what I also do is, like, you could email me and say, hey, Kristie. I need a birthday card that is for a football fan. Here’s the colors. Here’s, you know, kind of the favorite player.

Kristie Ondracek [00:10:20]:
And I could actually create a card mimicking what you just told me. And so I have a couple I just met the wife after three years of doing cards, and she’s like, you’re the one who makes the cards. I keep those. They’re, like, so personable. And I mean, I was just like, yeah. And so, you know, it’s just really a nice way to tell someone I’m listening to you. I’m taking what you like, and I’m giving you this card as a token of our friendship, a token of our love.

John Garrett [00:10:56]:
That’s so so cool. And then when you hear years later, you know, somebody’s like, you wait. What? You’re the artist. You’re the one. You’re the creative. That means a lot. You know? Then it’s like, wow. Okay.

John Garrett [00:11:08]:
That’s really cool. Does any of this skill set or mindset translate to your work? The CFO, COO role type of things?

Kristie Ondracek [00:11:17]:
Yes. Because I don’t think, like, the typical CFO or COO or CPA or I swear, sometimes a human being. More often than not, I get called a unicorn because they’re like, yeah. You’re just like no one else. I’m like, oh, thank goodness because that’s what I’m

John Garrett [00:11:34]:
going for. Right. Because I know some really bad ones, and I don’t wanna be like those ones.

Kristie Ondracek [00:11:37]:
Exactly.

John Garrett [00:11:38]:
I’d rather be off on my own. We’re good.

Kristie Ondracek [00:11:40]:
But I think because I can take you see something, but then you take your creativity and you make it something different. You’re thinking outside the box. When you’re coming up with strategic planning and you’re trying to plan something and that’s not like last year, that is different, you really have to, like, separate yourself from what’s happening. And I feel that with the card making and scrapbooking, I’ve been able to use the creative juices that we are all given. We just don’t use on a regular basis as a habit and be able to see things differently. Being a problem solver is something that I take pride in, but it’s like we can all solve problems creatively. But as a CPA, we don’t wanna be a creative CPA. I always say, I’m a very creative CPA, just not with numbers.

Kristie Ondracek [00:12:32]:
They all have to balance. They all have to be exact. But how you can get profits? How can you decrease expenses because that’s what businesses want without, you know, stressing everyone out and, you know, having slave labor and all that. It’s how can we do all this? And thinking outside the box, I feel like when I’m doing card making, you are limited a little bit on materials. So you have to be creative. You know, the football player one, I would have to be thinking like, how do I make a little human being out of paper? Now do I have a machine to help me with that? Yes. But it’s still being able to think outside the box. So I do feel that being creative at home with the card making for so many years has given me advantage of seeing things just differently.

John Garrett [00:13:20]:
Yeah. I mean, you’re exercising that muscle outside of work. And then when it’s at work and it’s time to use that muscle, you’re like, oh, I got this. Like, it’s almost like a reflex because it’s so ingrained in how you view things and how you think about things. And that’s a skill that and and that’s what I tell organizations all the time that I work with is you have an untapped well of just talent and expertise that you haven’t even sniffed because you don’t even know. You know? And the person that makes cards and scrapbooks and, you know, paper crafting has a totally different skill set than somebody that, let’s say, is a lead singer of a cover band. Let’s say it’s somebody that loves jigsaw puzzles. Let’s say somebody that loves animal rescue or whatever.

John Garrett [00:14:03]:
They’re all different mentalities. Even though on the surface, they all have the same degree and certifications, they are different like, on a sole level, different skills. And so I love that, you know, you’ve tapped into this and that you’re able to keep that going and how much it impacts your career. It’s not just a nice to have. It’s not an accidental. It’s no. No. Not only do I have to do it mentally to stay sane, but also it makes everything else in my life better, which is awesome, you know, to hear.

John Garrett [00:14:35]:
Have you always shared this side of yourself throughout your career? Or is it something that comes on later when you’re more confident or stopped caring what other people thought? I don’t know what, but it’s it’s interesting to me.

Kristie Ondracek [00:14:49]:
I think I shared it. I would share it with coworkers and such, and especially when, you know, they received a handmade card for me, then they’d be like, wait a minute. You do this. So it really helped it. I do remember at my previous job, I actually had, like, a little card shop in my office and people would come and buy cards so that, you know, they didn’t have to go down to Hallmark and get, you know, generic type of cards. So, you know, it’s one of those. It’s as I’ve gotten older and the you know what? I am Christie. I’m authentic, and this is what I do.

Kristie Ondracek [00:15:28]:
It’s gotten easier. I know members at TXCPA Houston. I did have I was selling them here until I had to take them home for another craft show and never brought them back. But people are like, where are the cards? It’s Christmas time. I need some Christmas cards. Right.

John Garrett [00:15:43]:
Right. You’re like, oh, wow. People notice this stuff. That’s incredible. I mean, how much do you feel like it’s on an organization or leadership to create that space where people can have a little cover job or talk about it even or share it? Or how much is it on the individual to just, hey, I’m gonna bring them in. What did it take or leave it? You know, type of thing. I think

Kristie Ondracek [00:16:04]:
it’s a % in both. Leaders have to take interest outside of what you hired the person for. Because what you hired the person for, yeah, that was good for the first six to nine months. But what more can they do? What do they want to do, and how are you gonna find that out if you don’t talk to them? And I don’t know if it’s age or what it is, but maybe it’s because as you get older, your filter just kinda wears out.

John Garrett [00:16:34]:
I can’t wait. It’s amazing.

Kristie Ondracek [00:16:37]:
Yeah. It’s awesome. You get to a point, you’re like, this is who I am. This is what I wanna do in life. We have limited time here on Earth. We need to do what is heavy on our heart, what we’re meant to do, you know, and learning new skills is good. I mean, when I can tell you six, seven years ago, if you told me I would be doing social media graphics and enjoying it and planning and understanding what a marketing plan is, I would have laughed at you and said you are really cute, but here is the psych ward. But it’s because because someone gave me encouragement.

Kristie Ondracek [00:17:13]:
And so as a leader, I always wanna do that to others, encourage them to think outside the box, encourage them to want to do something different. And as an individual, when I do the mentoring coaching, I always tell them like, well, speak up. No one can hear silence. You have to be able to speak up. But here’s the thing for the leaders who are listening to this, you have to make it safe for them to speak up. That is one thing that I am hearing from young professionals. Like, I don’t wanna rock the boat. I’m afraid that if I say something, they’re going to get rid of me.

Kristie Ondracek [00:17:54]:
So as leaders who are listening to this, make it a safe space for them to speak up. Make sure you are doing the walking around and saying, how are you? And actually listen, not just how are you and move on to the next person. And when they say fine, take notice of fine because fine sometimes is not good.

John Garrett [00:18:17]:
Right.

Kristie Ondracek [00:18:17]:
But it takes it’s a % on both parties. Find out if they do, like, paper crafts or if they’re doing improv or if they’re learning how to play the piano. Ask them, like, hey. How did you finally graduate from the first book after ten years? And Kristie will tell you, no. I still have not. But, hey, I’m still working at it. One page at a time.

John Garrett [00:18:39]:
Yeah. I mean, as long as it brings you joy, then that’s fine. But, yeah, but, I mean, they hired the whole person. So, you know, embrace the whole person, you know, type of thing instead of just the very small sliver that is your actual work technical skills. It’s such a small percentage of who we are as human. And yet, for some reason, it’s so easy for our brain to allow that to become 100% of our identity. And it’s it’s a shame. And even people like, you know, the young professionals that think that if I say something, I’m gonna rock the boat.

John Garrett [00:19:14]:
It may or may not be true. It’s probably mostly in their heads. You’re probably not gonna get fired. You’re probably not gonna rock a boat. You’re probably not gonna anything. But the fact that the environment isn’t there already makes them feel and think that way. And so that’s the hard part of leadership is to to actually come out from behind your desk, come down from your tower, come down from and meet people where they’re at. Because in their mind, they’ve put you on these things just because of your title alone.

John Garrett [00:19:43]:
And so you have to work extra hard to remove those barriers to show them that’s not true. And that your mind is tricking you into thinking that something bad is going to happen because that’s what your brain does is save your life all the time even though it makes up scenarios half the time to make it seem it’s like tripping the old lady to pick up the old lady. Look. I just picked up. Yeah. You tripped her. Like, what the hell? Like and so my brain all the time is creating these bad scenarios. Like, look.

John Garrett [00:20:11]:
I saved you. I’m like, that was not even a real thing. Like, this wasn’t even gonna happen. And so, it’s it’s really, really amazing just to, you know, as if your leadership to to go out of your way and do things like you do, where it’s like, you know, I’m the CFO, COO, but I’m human, and I do these other things. And there’s other parts of of who I am, and it’s just awesome to hear. You know? Like and it’s also something people remember. I know earlier we were mentioning I spoke at a conference several years ago, and Kenneth O’Maruyi started the conference with the star spangled banner and on saxophone, no music. It was the most awesome thing ever.

John Garrett [00:20:48]:
And I tell people, I go, there were 900 enrolled Indians or tax people at this conference, and I remember one of them. And it’s Kenneth. And is he even good at taxes? I don’t care. Like, he’s good at saxophone, and that was awesome to see. It was him come alive playing the saxophone. You know? And I mean, what an awesome human anyway. But that’s the thing is, like, you know, we hang our hats on our technical skills, and I don’t remember any of the other people there, which is sad.

Kristie Ondracek [00:21:15]:
Well or we hang the hat on someone’s title. I am always amazed by the comments of, like, from students and young professionals because I have a open door policy. They have my cell phone number. They have my meeting link. And they’re like, I can’t believe you’re taking time to speak to me. I’m like, why wouldn’t I? But it’s because there’s this persona that if you’re in the c suite, you are too important to speak to someone, you know, not in the c suite or not a partner. And it’s like, we gotta, like, somehow stop that. Stop the persona of a title.

Kristie Ondracek [00:21:54]:
Start going with, oh my goodness, John. You are such a cool human being. Thank you for being here. You know? Let’s have coffee. Let me find out about you. I don’t care what you do for your job because that is part of you, point 1% of you. But where’s the other 99.9% of you? What’s that going to happen? Because that’s what’s going to really impact organizations. All those ands from everyone, oh my goodness, you get that creativity, you get that energy, the work is gonna get done a lot quicker.

Kristie Ondracek [00:22:27]:
Productivity is gonna go up a lot higher because everyone’s gonna be looking forward to coming to work, hanging out with one another. I talk about burnout and I talk about resilience when I do present presentations, and I’m like, the biggest thing is toxic work environments are getting to be a higher and higher percentage. That means burnout is higher and resilience is lower. We, like, turn it on its head, and we need to care. We need to stop putting a emphasis on the bottom line and the bonuses and such and put emphasis on the human capital of the organization.

John Garrett [00:23:07]:
No. I agree with that a hundred percent. You’re spot on, and that’s exactly it. I mean, you know, it’s just, take a beat. You know? It it doesn’t have to be an extended period of time. It doesn’t cost a lot of money. It’s not gonna wreck your company. It’s actually going to it’s one step back to take, like, seven steps forward.

John Garrett [00:23:25]:
You know? And like you said, productivity and and the bottom line, everything’s good from that. And so that’s such great advice and such a perfect way to to wrap up. But I do feel like since I rudely peppered you with questions, it’s only fair that we turn the tables and we make this the Kristie on Draw Check podcast. And I’ll be your first guest, so thanks for having me on. So I’m all yours. I’m in the hot seat. Whatever you got.

Kristie Ondracek [00:23:50]:
Oh my goodness. So I wanna know what’s your favorite statement. The balance sheet, income statement, cash flow, none of them. Because you ask them, all of our CPAs this. And I am like I’m like digging into my little brain going, has he ever answered this?

John Garrett [00:24:06]:
You know, I haven’t if I had to pick one, of course, it’d be none of them. But if I had to pick one of them, it would probably be the balance sheet because then I have no one done when it balances. And then there we go. So that tells you what kind of CPA I was. So, like, we just plug it to Goodwill and then we go home. Alright. And we’re all good. Yeah.

John Garrett [00:24:25]:
So probably that. Although, you know, the ego side of you wants income statement just to see what your number was for the year. I don’t look at my balance sheet because it’s pretty basic and super simple. But probably yeah. And I’m scared to look at my cash flow statement. So I think the income statement is probably where it’s safest for my ego to take. And then at least you just see your number, and you’re like, oh, okay. Alright.

John Garrett [00:24:50]:
You know?

Kristie Ondracek [00:24:51]:
Good, bad, ugly.

John Garrett [00:24:51]:
Better than last year or not as good or whatever, but there’s reasons. So that’s fine. You know, I don’t freak out.

Kristie Ondracek [00:24:58]:
Can I have a bonus question?

John Garrett [00:24:59]:
Oh, totally. You can have as many as you want. It’s your show. Are you kidding me?

Kristie Ondracek [00:25:03]:
For 2025, everyone has resolutions and dreams and ideals and da da da. At midnight of 12/31/2025, what’s one thing that you want to say, I did this in 2025?

John Garrett [00:25:20]:
I thought you were like, whose dreams are you gonna wreck? And I was like, oh, sweet. Like, I’m only I’m here to like, who wants to get some ice cream? Who’s on a who’s on an exercise plan? Let’s go. That’s a great question. Yeah. I think that I would like to share more of my thoughts and ideas. I keep them to myself and keep them in a little box. And I think that through, like, this podcast and the every other episode, sharing my thoughts and ideas and many episodes, also more posting of these things on social media, especially LinkedIn, sharing more of me and my thoughts and my ideas, I find that people like them. And so I need to be more open with those.

John Garrett [00:26:06]:
So I would say that. It’s not a big, hairy, audacious goal type of thing, but it’s, in my world, that’s a big step.

Kristie Ondracek [00:26:13]:
Okay. Well, I’m looking forward to seeing these and supporting you and being your little accountability coach on this.

John Garrett [00:26:21]:
Well, thank you so much for tricking me into that.

Kristie Ondracek [00:26:25]:
I’m good.

John Garrett [00:26:26]:
Yeah. So good. No. But this was awesome, Kristie. Thank you so much for being a part of What’s Your Hand.

Kristie Ondracek [00:26:31]:
Well, thank you for letting me be a guest and entertaining the crowds forever. Thank you, John, for all you do for the profession and for the everyone on earth because they all have an and and they just need to make sure that they publicize it.

John Garrett [00:26:47]:
Well, I appreciate that, and that means so much. So thank you. And everybody listening, if you’d like to see some pictures of Kristie’s work or connect with her on social media, And everybody listening, if you’d like to see some pictures of Kristie’s work or connect with her on social media, you can go to www.whatsyourand.com. All the links are there. And while you’re on the page, please click that big button to the anonymous research survey about corporate culture. And don’t forget to check out my book. So thanks again for subscribing on Apple subscribing on Apple Podcasts or whatever app you use or for sharing this with your friends. So they get the message that we’re all trying to spread:

John Garrett [00:27:16]:
That who you are is so much more than what you do.